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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7743247" data-attributes="member: 16814">No, consequences are not forcing the PCs to do something.&nbsp; As for different rules, where are they different aside from the NPCs having a distinct 'turn' to do something?&nbsp; The combat engine is meant to settle things more tactically, going back to D&amp;D's roots as a wargame, but aside from the ugoigo features, the actual play isn't really any different.&nbsp; On the NPC turn, they do things, which establish framing for the PC turns, where they declare actions and the consequences of those actions are adjudicated.&nbsp; This kind of duality is common in many RPGs -- they handle combat with more granularity than out of combat.&nbsp; If you find that distasteful, take up one of the systems that truly uses unified resolution mechanics.&nbsp; I think FATE might suit your bill.But, if you want to play D&amp;D, of any edition, you're going to find that combat is far, far more detailed in the rules than anything else.&nbsp; Since both I and my players enjoy D&amp;D, we keep that duality.&nbsp; I still don't have NPCs use diplomacy in combat to make the PCs agree with them just like I do out of combat.&nbsp; That doesn't change, and I really don't see the basis for your argument.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7743247, member: 16814"] No, consequences are not forcing the PCs to do something. As for different rules, where are they different aside from the NPCs having a distinct 'turn' to do something? The combat engine is meant to settle things more tactically, going back to D&D's roots as a wargame, but aside from the ugoigo features, the actual play isn't really any different. On the NPC turn, they do things, which establish framing for the PC turns, where they declare actions and the consequences of those actions are adjudicated. This kind of duality is common in many RPGs -- they handle combat with more granularity than out of combat. If you find that distasteful, take up one of the systems that truly uses unified resolution mechanics. I think FATE might suit your bill. But, if you want to play D&D, of any edition, you're going to find that combat is far, far more detailed in the rules than anything else. Since both I and my players enjoy D&D, we keep that duality. I still don't have NPCs use diplomacy in combat to make the PCs agree with them just like I do out of combat. That doesn't change, and I really don't see the basis for your argument. [/QUOTE]

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