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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7744020" data-attributes="member: 97077"><p>It depends on the system how this all works. In D&D 5e, I would have to question why the DM is making a Charisma (Persuasion) roll for an NPC to influence a PC in the first place. The DM uses an ability check when the result of a task is uncertain and there is a meaningful consequence of failure. But the rules plainly say that the player is the one who decides how the character acts and thinks and what he or she says. Which means that, in fact, the result of the task to influence a PC's thinking isn't uncertain at all - <em>it's whatever the player says it is</em>. Therefore, there is no need for an ability check in the first place. The DM simply describes the attempts at persuasion (or deception or intimidation) and asks "What do you do?"</p><p></p><p>Some folks use a check from the NPC to decide <em>how </em>to describe the NPC's attempt. That's not part of the adjudication process and strikes me as a belief that "if any given action smells like a skill check could apply then roll for it." But as long as it's used only to inform the DM's description of the attempt and has no mechanical impact on the PC, it's fine in my view even if I don't see a need for it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7744020, member: 97077"] It depends on the system how this all works. In D&D 5e, I would have to question why the DM is making a Charisma (Persuasion) roll for an NPC to influence a PC in the first place. The DM uses an ability check when the result of a task is uncertain and there is a meaningful consequence of failure. But the rules plainly say that the player is the one who decides how the character acts and thinks and what he or she says. Which means that, in fact, the result of the task to influence a PC's thinking isn't uncertain at all - [I]it's whatever the player says it is[/I]. Therefore, there is no need for an ability check in the first place. The DM simply describes the attempts at persuasion (or deception or intimidation) and asks "What do you do?" Some folks use a check from the NPC to decide [I]how [/I]to describe the NPC's attempt. That's not part of the adjudication process and strikes me as a belief that "if any given action smells like a skill check could apply then roll for it." But as long as it's used only to inform the DM's description of the attempt and has no mechanical impact on the PC, it's fine in my view even if I don't see a need for it. [/QUOTE]
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