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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7744614" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>To me there seem to be two things here.</p><p></p><p>(1) <em>The check replaces roleplay</em>. "Roleplay" here means the players presenting arguments to one another. Either approach (casting lots in character and doing so at the table; compromising in character by casting lots at the table) brings that to an end by the rolling of dice. As far as a <em>decision procedure</em> is concerned, I simply can't see the difference between casting lots at the table while also imagining that the PCs are doing that, and casting lots at the table while imagining that one lot of PCs is relenting to the wishes of the other lot of PCs. I can accept that the <em>aesthetics</em> are different.</p><p></p><p>(2) In my experience - which is all I can report on - the fact that being a noble or a Leader grants a bonus to a check (in 4e that might be a higher CHA, although as I said I can't properly remember how I did it) doesn't generate much incentive to hold out for checks. Because in the course of the players presenting reasons to one another, quite often they do persuade one another, meaning the debate resolves itself.</p><p></p><p>Again, I'm not seeing what <em>the problem</em> is. Disagreement between PCs is one element of the many complications and challenges that drive play.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7744614, member: 42582"] To me there seem to be two things here. (1) [I]The check replaces roleplay[/I]. "Roleplay" here means the players presenting arguments to one another. Either approach (casting lots in character and doing so at the table; compromising in character by casting lots at the table) brings that to an end by the rolling of dice. As far as a [I]decision procedure[/I] is concerned, I simply can't see the difference between casting lots at the table while also imagining that the PCs are doing that, and casting lots at the table while imagining that one lot of PCs is relenting to the wishes of the other lot of PCs. I can accept that the [I]aesthetics[/I] are different. (2) In my experience - which is all I can report on - the fact that being a noble or a Leader grants a bonus to a check (in 4e that might be a higher CHA, although as I said I can't properly remember how I did it) doesn't generate much incentive to hold out for checks. Because in the course of the players presenting reasons to one another, quite often they do persuade one another, meaning the debate resolves itself. Again, I'm not seeing what [I]the problem[/I] is. Disagreement between PCs is one element of the many complications and challenges that drive play. [/QUOTE]
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