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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jared Rascher" data-source="post: 5533466" data-attributes="member: 28825">Cross posted from Paizo's boards because there isn't much of a point in rephrasing this whole she-bang:I'm really torn on this one.  I will give them credit, I'm not torn  because they completely changed things left and right, is more a matter  of subtle changes that I think do shift the tone of several scenes from  how they occurred in the book.  My first thought is that there are a few scenes where they revealed a  bit more information ahead of time than in the book, almost as if they  have to let the audience know something will be important, but it makes  the more subtle building of the background threads less . . . well . . .  subtle.   Spoiler: Mainly  regarding the Others and the deserter.  In the book it was obvious that  that scene was important, but it worked better to almost let people  forget about them while the political intrigue ramped up.  Plus, I think  I would have been happier with the wight being a bit more of a surprise  later on.  It could just be me, as well, but I almost felt like, in the short  time he was on screen, Theon was kind of hammered home as a jerk.  Maybe  I didn't read the original scene in the book the way it was intended,  but I felt that Theon's more negative traits were a bit more subtly  introduced in the book.  I also felt like the early scene of Jaime and Cersei was a bit of an issue to me.  It felt as if: Spoiler: They  intentionally added more fuel to the flames to make it look like the  Lannisters had killed Jon Arryn in case everyone assuming that later in  the story wasn't enough of a red herring.  Another place that a very slight change made me feel as if the whole  scene had changed was the meeting between Tyrion and Jon Snow.  The  scene seemed to make Catelyn more, well, petty, since she didn't just  not sit Jon with the family, but didn't allow him at the feast.  The  meeting between Tyrion and Jon, already coming off of this negativity,  felt a lot more antagonistic than I read it in the book.  In the book, I  felt like Jon was someone that desperately wanted to prove himself, but  here, he just feels like an angry young man.  I felt it lost a little  depth.  I am glad that there did seem to be some genuine warmth between Ned  and Cat in the scene where she receives the note from her sister.  I'd  probably be nit picking to say that I kind of missed the almost  desperate hope that Cat had of trying to conceive another child, since  that ship kind of sailed when the ages of some of the characters were  revised, but I actually think that scene and how it softened her was a  nice balance to her more political minded thoughts later in the scene,  in the book.  Cat is coming off more overall matronly here than the wife of a great house, daughter of a great house, and a mother. Spoiler: One  of the tragedies of Cat in the books is that she has each of her  "other" aspects stripped from her one by one until there is just revenge  left in her heart.  She looses Ned (wife), her father  (daughter), and  the last of her children that she knows the fate of (mother).  Here, she  is very much motherly over all so far.  While I can't say that Tyrion's scenes are out of character, again, I  think that the order in which aspects of personality are introduce are  important.  I think Tyrion's wit and inquisitiveness really should have  been established before his more lustful nature was explored.  Maybe I'm  a bit cynical, and I liked the show over all, but I wonder if Tyrion  had to be introduced the way he was in order to get more "adult" scenes  in the opening episode.  An odd juxtaposition in the Dothraki scene:  Daenerys may have been  portrayed as less willing in this portrayal, but it struck me that the  treatment of the dancers was less brutal than in the books.  The women  seemed to know that the amorous activities of the riders was part of the  entertainment in the show, but in the books, I got the feeling that  they were basically just savaged.  Its probably a finer hair to split  than some of the scenes that haven't quite worked for me.  Overall, I felt really strange after watching this.  It wasn't bad at  all, and it didn't change the overall story that much, but for some  reason, I felt like I had read the books all wrong and come to some of  the wrong conclusions when I saw some of the subtle shifts in what was  introduced when.    I'll be interested to see how this progresses, but some of the  changes in tone, while fairly minor at the start, might actually really  skew the trajectory of some characters later on.  Then again, as  Werthead mentioned above, it seems like some aspects of the story  "revert" to the baseline, so perhaps these odd notes are just me getting  used to a different medium for the story.</blockquote>

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