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Message: <blockquote data-quote="nopantsyet" data-source="post: 170630" data-attributes="member: 3109">the  run-of-the-mill, average anything doesn't exist.  everybody thinks they are that, regardless of style, income, etc.  but if these boards attest to anything its that gamers come in all shapes, sizes, and wallet-types.  i'm not rich, i've been scraping by the past two years with a wife in grad school and kid while i try to start a business.  gaming is pretty much the only luxury i spend money on.  generalizations are irrelevent.give me a break!  on an pseudo-anonymous message board we stand to gain so much by saying we want more high-quality products and we don't mind paying for them?  if i say i don't mind paying more money for a better car am i kissing the collective butts of the Car Gods?  of course not.  you're being ridiculous.nobody is suggesting that inexpensive products should go away or that they will.   several publishers have stated as much.  and it's basic principal of market forces.  it's why Hyundai and Kia exist in the price range Toyota and Honda used to.are you alienated from driving because Lexus and BMW make cares that cost over $100K?  you might not buy one, and that's fine, but i'm sure you don't feel like the auto industry is slighting you.it's a standard market practice to have bottom-, middle-, and top-shelf product lines.  many industries do it and people are constantly amazed that people will spend money on X when they can get Y for less.  if you go to a traditional game store, you will find a basic chess set for $15.  but they often also carry sets that cost hundreds of dollars.  they don't sell them everyday or to everyone who wants to play chess.  but there are people who want jade pieces and marble boards.  i game every week.  i am very selective about what products i buy, but i don't mind paying good money for a high-quality product.  i think that makes me run-of-the mill.  (see first paragraph)the one thing that would get me to spend more total dollars on gaming products is an increase in high-quality products.  i am very interested in products that would be a higher level of quality than what is currently available; and i would be willing to pay more for it.  i think many game designers are capable of more, and i'm willing to pay more if they do.i realize not everyone is and that's fine.  i like BMWs and jade chess sets, but i'm not going to buy either of them.  (at least not anytime in the forseeable future.)  but i think they should all be available for those who want them and can afford them.nobody thought toyota could repackage the camry with a different label, mark it up 100%, and sell more than one or two.  but there was a gap between the typical luxury car cost (then $50-60K) and the high-end economy cars ($15-20K).  so the $35K Lexus was a huge hit and opened up a previously untapped market segment.i think that's what Ryan is talking about.  he thinks a market is there that they're not taking advantage of.  you are not that market; that's fine.  i am.game design is not punk rock.  success and profit do not discredit it.  these gaming gods aren't creating games as a personal favor to us; it's a business.  and any business that does not capitalize on an untapped market is stupid.the gaming stores i frequent will order anything they don't carry on request.  and if people start asking for a high-priced product, i'm certain they'll start stocking it pretty darn quick.  and if it sells, that's a higher-profit sale, which helps them stay in business.so if the industry thinks they can make better products, i repeat: bring it on!!!  i want better products.  i'm willing to pay more for better products.</blockquote>

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