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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 2058629" data-attributes="member: 10177">Every player who played a game system under one DM and hated it, then played it under another DM and loved it (Shadowrun, RIFTS, and MERPS were like this for me) knows that the problems are a DM/player problem, not a system problem. Like I have mentioned in other threads, most recently the Synnibar and C&C threads, I have rarely found a system un-playable, meaning lots of fun. Aftermath is the only system I didn't have lots of fun with, but it was enjoyable enough to play for awhile.The DM makes or breaks a game more than anyone else in a gaming group, and more than the gaming system being used. A system can be a big help, or a big headache. For example, a lot of people complained about 2E and all the kits and optional books breaking the game. I didn't use those rules, so my game never became broken and my group played for years.However 3E has a ton of PrC's (kits) and a bunch of "optional" rules, but now everyone loves it. Well, if that is true why is the d20 market dying off again? Why has such a large portion of the 3E market silently dissappeared? Its because the 3E system has once again become this huge monster of rules that scares the hell out of the average gamer. So either they quit, again, or move on to other smaller and easier systems, again. Me, I'm moving on to Castles and Crusades when my current campaign ends for 3E, which will be no later than August.Am I quitting 3E forever? As a DM I plan too, but I will be willing to play 3E, as a player only. So my problem is a system problem, it has become too much and too many players want to use everything. So I can't make them all happy without a lot of work and memorization on my part. Effort I am no longer willing to put forth. From now on, if anyone wants me to DM it is going to be under the rule system of my choice, and that system for fantasy is C&C for me. Sci-fi is Classic Traveller, I'll also DM Shadowrun for a cyberpunk kind of system. From now on (after July), I'll only play 3E, no more DMing.</blockquote>

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