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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4033103" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>That's fine. I'd say it's foolish, myself, but the point is that neither of us want such a thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In both cases, such things happening in the game reek strongly of DM Fiat. And if there's no way the PC's can interact with such a thing (using the rules), then it really is largley equivalent in feeling to saying "Rocks fall, everyone dies." The DM just took a big ol' broom and swept away any feeling like I, as a player, have any true influence over the world. After all, if the DM decides, I could just fall off a horse and die. So if it's all in the DM's hand, why bother having rules at all? Why bother having a game? The DM can just sit and tell us his story, because he gets to dictate what happens without rules anyway.</p><p></p><p>I mean, that's hyperbolic, but it's the feeling I get when the DM breaks with the rules of the game so dramatically just to justify some sort of narratrive contrivance that, 9 times out of 10, a little imagination could have worked within the bounds of the rules to create something the players COULD interact with, and thus could have added to the game, rather than made me feel like I was just along for the DM's ride. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure it does. I don't know of once in all the tales of epic heroes where someone fell off their horse and died. That's not heroic fantasy at all. That's the cold, hard, jagged stone of unnecessary realism cutting to ribbons my little fantasy world where heroes make flying leaps from falling dragons and land on the backs of their trusty steeds. </p><p></p><p>A one-in-a-million chance doesn't, effectively, from the POV of the table, ever, really, truly exist. And if the DM calls it in, it blows my suspension of disbelief right out of the water, because no longer does my character adhere to the heroic archetype I thought she was. Now, she's as vulnerable as a peasant just, out of the kindness of the DM's heart, lucky.</p><p></p><p>That's immensely unsatisfying for me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 4033103, member: 2067"] That's fine. I'd say it's foolish, myself, but the point is that neither of us want such a thing. In both cases, such things happening in the game reek strongly of DM Fiat. And if there's no way the PC's can interact with such a thing (using the rules), then it really is largley equivalent in feeling to saying "Rocks fall, everyone dies." The DM just took a big ol' broom and swept away any feeling like I, as a player, have any true influence over the world. After all, if the DM decides, I could just fall off a horse and die. So if it's all in the DM's hand, why bother having rules at all? Why bother having a game? The DM can just sit and tell us his story, because he gets to dictate what happens without rules anyway. I mean, that's hyperbolic, but it's the feeling I get when the DM breaks with the rules of the game so dramatically just to justify some sort of narratrive contrivance that, 9 times out of 10, a little imagination could have worked within the bounds of the rules to create something the players COULD interact with, and thus could have added to the game, rather than made me feel like I was just along for the DM's ride. Sure it does. I don't know of once in all the tales of epic heroes where someone fell off their horse and died. That's not heroic fantasy at all. That's the cold, hard, jagged stone of unnecessary realism cutting to ribbons my little fantasy world where heroes make flying leaps from falling dragons and land on the backs of their trusty steeds. A one-in-a-million chance doesn't, effectively, from the POV of the table, ever, really, truly exist. And if the DM calls it in, it blows my suspension of disbelief right out of the water, because no longer does my character adhere to the heroic archetype I thought she was. Now, she's as vulnerable as a peasant just, out of the kindness of the DM's heart, lucky. That's immensely unsatisfying for me. [/QUOTE]
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