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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4036013" data-attributes="member: 4937">Errr....1) By necessity, you are putting the easier burden on yourself in as much as the game, being a simulation, is necessarily much simplier than the universe in which the simulation takes place.&nbsp; There is not enough matter in the universe to assemble a computer which ran simulation of the universe itself.&nbsp; So you aren't making a fair bargain on those grounds.2) You aren't making a fair bargain on other grounds either.&nbsp; For example, the full details of the real universe are not only currently unknown to us, but potentially unknowable in as much as we are contained in the universe and hense cannot contain it within ourselves.&nbsp; Whereas, the game being a product of our own creation could be fully known.3) Relativity is not an approximation.&nbsp; If you think it is an approximation, I'd like to know, &quot;An approximation of what?&quot;4) Quantum mechanics is an approximation in the sense that we don't like to describe things in terms of probablities and smart minds (say Einstein) have challenged quantum mechanics for that reason on philosophical grounds.&nbsp; Nonetheless, it is not a factual statement to claim that QM is an approximation in that it may turn out that the universe really isn't something that can be precisely described (and the evidence sure looks that way from here) in which case QM is as precise of a description as can be managed. 5) This is all just a red herring any way, since my ability or inability to describe the rules of the real universe has no bearing on whether the rules of a game describe the rules of the game universe.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 4036013, member: 4937"] Errr.... 1) By necessity, you are putting the easier burden on yourself in as much as the game, being a simulation, is necessarily much simplier than the universe in which the simulation takes place. There is not enough matter in the universe to assemble a computer which ran simulation of the universe itself. So you aren't making a fair bargain on those grounds. 2) You aren't making a fair bargain on other grounds either. For example, the full details of the real universe are not only currently unknown to us, but potentially unknowable in as much as we are contained in the universe and hense cannot contain it within ourselves. Whereas, the game being a product of our own creation could be fully known. 3) Relativity is not an approximation. If you think it is an approximation, I'd like to know, "An approximation of what?" 4) Quantum mechanics is an approximation in the sense that we don't like to describe things in terms of probablities and smart minds (say Einstein) have challenged quantum mechanics for that reason on philosophical grounds. Nonetheless, it is not a factual statement to claim that QM is an approximation in that it may turn out that the universe really isn't something that can be precisely described (and the evidence sure looks that way from here) in which case QM is as precise of a description as can be managed. 5) This is all just a red herring any way, since my ability or inability to describe the rules of the real universe has no bearing on whether the rules of a game describe the rules of the game universe. [/QUOTE]

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