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<blockquote data-quote="Terramotus" data-source="post: 4038091" data-attributes="member: 7220">Having caught up with the thread because it's interesting...It's not that simple.&nbsp; In myth, the &quot;bar&quot; of what sets gods and men apart is much lower than it is in D&amp;D.&nbsp; Anyone remotely close to the power of a 20th level character's abilities (much less accomplishments) would already be a demigod, by virtue of birth or deed.&nbsp; And if we're talking about divine beings, then I would agree that it would seem bizarre if Odin fell off Sleipnir and broke his neck without some sort of chicanery going on.But to us, raised with our mortal superheroes and legacy of a monotheistic culture, it's ok for D&amp;D characters to have far more power and still be mortal.&nbsp; So, I don't think there are any epic heroes with comparable power to a 20th level D&amp;D character, which is what Kamigaze Midget asked for.&nbsp; I'd love to see a counter example.Although, Barbarossa sitting in a cave somewhere waiting for the final crisis to come so he can save Germany sounds likea an epic destiny to me, so I think someone like him or King Arthur with a similar myth is as close as we're going to get.But is such a thing truly necessary to devote space in the DMG to when common sense should tell me that people get old and out of shape if they don't practice?&nbsp; Maybe I'm a lazy DM, but to use John Snow's example, if I'm running a game in Westeros with Robert Baratheon and I have to stat him out, I'm not going to build him in his prime and then use the rules to downgrade him according to the rules (unless there's later time travel wackiness to be had).&nbsp; I'm just going to build him as he is now.I mean, the RAW don't support dying early of a heart attack, cancer, or even bleeding to death, IIRC, either.&nbsp; Would you cry foul if NPCs were described as dying in those methods as well?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Terramotus, post: 4038091, member: 7220"] Having caught up with the thread because it's interesting... It's not that simple. In myth, the "bar" of what sets gods and men apart is much lower than it is in D&D. Anyone remotely close to the power of a 20th level character's abilities (much less accomplishments) would already be a demigod, by virtue of birth or deed. And if we're talking about divine beings, then I would agree that it would seem bizarre if Odin fell off Sleipnir and broke his neck without some sort of chicanery going on. But to us, raised with our mortal superheroes and legacy of a monotheistic culture, it's ok for D&D characters to have far more power and still be mortal. So, I don't think there are any epic heroes with comparable power to a 20th level D&D character, which is what Kamigaze Midget asked for. I'd love to see a counter example. Although, Barbarossa sitting in a cave somewhere waiting for the final crisis to come so he can save Germany sounds likea an epic destiny to me, so I think someone like him or King Arthur with a similar myth is as close as we're going to get. But is such a thing truly necessary to devote space in the DMG to when common sense should tell me that people get old and out of shape if they don't practice? Maybe I'm a lazy DM, but to use John Snow's example, if I'm running a game in Westeros with Robert Baratheon and I have to stat him out, I'm not going to build him in his prime and then use the rules to downgrade him according to the rules (unless there's later time travel wackiness to be had). I'm just going to build him as he is now. I mean, the RAW don't support dying early of a heart attack, cancer, or even bleeding to death, IIRC, either. Would you cry foul if NPCs were described as dying in those methods as well? [/QUOTE]

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