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<blockquote data-quote="Terramotus" data-source="post: 4038215" data-attributes="member: 7220">Well, let's be a little bit more clear about things.&nbsp; Obviously if someone is flat-out buddies with deities they could cure cancer, and presumably would have a 5th level cleric buddy anyway to cast remove disease.&nbsp; Magic makes all of the arguments moot because at 20th level death is as simply fixed as a stubbed toe.&nbsp; Let's leave out all of the arguments on how prevalent magic is in the specific setting.Let's posit a theoretical 20th level fighter.&nbsp; He's the greatest warrior who's ever lived, and has carved a kingdom for himself.&nbsp; He's killed dragons and hydras and all sorts of monsters.&nbsp; He's unique in having achieved that level, and is a legend whose name will live forever.&nbsp; However, there are no clerics who have remove disease, or at least none close enough that are willing to help him (they didn't like being conquered, dontchaknow).&nbsp; Sure, he's met the gods, and maybe slept with the Goddess of Love a time or two, but he has no divine rank, and none of them are willing to heal him (or are maybe prohibited by cosmic rules).The DM tells you that he's died of cancer.&nbsp; Do you cry foul at that because cancer isn't in the DMG?Awesome link, thanks.&nbsp; I think I had read that a long time ago but had forgotten about it.&nbsp; I'm guessing that E6 was based off of this or similar work.&nbsp; It will be interesting to see how 4E changes those numbers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Terramotus, post: 4038215, member: 7220"] Well, let's be a little bit more clear about things. Obviously if someone is flat-out buddies with deities they could cure cancer, and presumably would have a 5th level cleric buddy anyway to cast remove disease. Magic makes all of the arguments moot because at 20th level death is as simply fixed as a stubbed toe. Let's leave out all of the arguments on how prevalent magic is in the specific setting. Let's posit a theoretical 20th level fighter. He's the greatest warrior who's ever lived, and has carved a kingdom for himself. He's killed dragons and hydras and all sorts of monsters. He's unique in having achieved that level, and is a legend whose name will live forever. However, there are no clerics who have remove disease, or at least none close enough that are willing to help him (they didn't like being conquered, dontchaknow). Sure, he's met the gods, and maybe slept with the Goddess of Love a time or two, but he has no divine rank, and none of them are willing to heal him (or are maybe prohibited by cosmic rules). The DM tells you that he's died of cancer. Do you cry foul at that because cancer isn't in the DMG? Awesome link, thanks. I think I had read that a long time ago but had forgotten about it. I'm guessing that E6 was based off of this or similar work. It will be interesting to see how 4E changes those numbers. [/QUOTE]

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