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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4039276" data-attributes="member: 4937">Ahh... I was hoping someone would use this line of attack.The thing is, you haven't in fact shown that you can get exactly what you want out of the D&D rules 'as is'.  All you've managed to show is that you can get everything you want out of the rules by ignoring them when events occur offstage.  But whenever events occur onstage, they won't in fact generate those same results.  There will be a marked and notable difference between how things work on stage, and how they work offstage.  And frankly, of the two, its the on stage events that are far more important.  So either you don't get 'all you want', or else you don't use the rules 'as is'.</blockquote>