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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4039520" data-attributes="member: 4937">No, I'm point out that the definition of rules is such that my thesis is true by definition.&nbsp; I don't think I've had anyone disagree vigorously with how I've defined 'rules of the game'.The wonderful thing about systems of meaning is that various things in them can be 'true by definition'.&nbsp; In fact, if they are provably true then they are true by definition at some level.&nbsp; The axioms are provably not themselves provable.&nbsp; However, just because this is true doesn't mean that everything that is true by definition is obviously true by definition.&nbsp; Sometimes it turns out that things which are true are quite surprisingly true.&nbsp; Exactly.&nbsp; And this is true once you think about it, even if it is not immediately obvious that it is true.Well, yes, since you ask.&nbsp; Although, I deny that I created the definition of rules.Well, it just did. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 4039520, member: 4937"] No, I'm point out that the definition of rules is such that my thesis is true by definition. I don't think I've had anyone disagree vigorously with how I've defined 'rules of the game'. The wonderful thing about systems of meaning is that various things in them can be 'true by definition'. In fact, if they are provably true then they are true by definition at some level. The axioms are provably not themselves provable. However, just because this is true doesn't mean that everything that is true by definition is obviously true by definition. Sometimes it turns out that things which are true are quite surprisingly true. Exactly. And this is true once you think about it, even if it is not immediately obvious that it is true. Well, yes, since you ask. Although, I deny that I created the definition of rules. Well, it just did. :D [/QUOTE]

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