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<blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 4040098" data-attributes="member: 32164">Oh really? I thought that was still part of &quot;the rules&quot; regardless of whether they're written down in the books or not. I'm pretty sure someone told me that, and unless I'm totally incorrect, I think it was YOU.So it seems to me you're backpedalling on your statement about rules...Oh, I looked up some of those quotes on NPCs in the DMG. Like these two:&quot;NPC should obey all the same rules as PCs.&quot;&quot;NPCs should live and die - fail and succeed - by the dice, just as PCs do.&quot;Sounds pretty clear, except that they left out a few words. They're part of the same paragraph in the DMG. But the actual quote is:Wow. That's a whole lot less definite. It's almost like someone was quoting selectively in an attempt to mislead people.So Celebrim, I guess you've now come up with a new thesis: every event in the gameworld should unfold in accordance with the printed rules.Which means there IS still a disagreement. And it's one which, a few posts ago, you weren't even willing to acknowledge exists.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JohnSnow, post: 4040098, member: 32164"] Oh really? I thought that was still part of "the rules" regardless of whether they're written down in the books or not. I'm pretty sure someone told me that, and unless I'm totally incorrect, I think it was YOU. So it seems to me you're backpedalling on your statement about rules... Oh, I looked up some of those quotes on NPCs in the DMG. Like these two: "NPC should obey all the same rules as PCs." "NPCs should live and die - fail and succeed - by the dice, just as PCs do." Sounds pretty clear, except that they left out a few words. They're part of the same paragraph in the DMG. But the actual quote is: Wow. That's a whole lot less definite. It's almost like someone was quoting selectively in an attempt to mislead people. So Celebrim, I guess you've now come up with a new thesis: every event in the gameworld should unfold in accordance with the printed rules. Which means there IS still a disagreement. And it's one which, a few posts ago, you weren't even willing to acknowledge [b]exists.[/b] [/QUOTE]

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