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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4041412" data-attributes="member: 2067">Well, there's two acceptable ways to see this, for me (note that doesn't mean period, that justmeans that these are things that I would, generally speaking, accept from a DM). (a): If there is a glitch, fix it using the rules. That's well within the DM's purview, after all. Make a rule that allows for instant-falling death. I'd use it. I'd stay away from horses and cliffs and I'd use magic over Jump or Climb every time, but it's a rule that a lot of people have wanted in D&amp;D for a long time. Go for it. You're the DM.(b): The glitch is in your head. The elite are blessed, but Fate/Chance/Luck/Skill/Toughness can only really intervene if there's &quot;room for the holy spirit!&quot; A fall from a horse involves a lot of variables, places that luck or skill could intervene to save the heroic being, and, because they are heroic, it does. If a creature is held helpless (the only situation when a CDG is allowed), there's none of this variability, chance, skill, or possibility, there's no room for Fate/Chance/Luck/Skill/Toughness to intervene, so it can't.* This makes the heroic character nearly as weak as any other mere mortal. It doesn't follow that &quot;elites are not that blessed,&quot; necessarily. It could follow that there are circumstances where all the blessings in the multiverse won't save your hide. By the rules, being completely helpless is one of those circumstances, but falling is not (because you're not helpless in any way). I've never had a problem killing any character by the book before. *It's also true that a peasant with a knife deals little enough damage that a 20th-level Fighter still has a pretty good chance to get away unscathed, through sheer toughness. And also that a peasant with a knife would have a hell of a time, by the rules, getting that 20th level fighter in a position where he'd be helpless, let alone keeping him in that state long enough. But that's not really here or there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 4041412, member: 2067"] Well, there's two acceptable ways to see this, for me (note that doesn't mean period, that justmeans that these are things that I would, generally speaking, accept from a DM). (a): If there is a glitch, fix it using the rules. That's well within the DM's purview, after all. Make a rule that allows for instant-falling death. I'd use it. I'd stay away from horses and cliffs and I'd use magic over Jump or Climb every time, but it's a rule that a lot of people have wanted in D&D for a long time. Go for it. You're the DM. (b): The glitch is in your head. The elite are blessed, but Fate/Chance/Luck/Skill/Toughness can only really intervene if there's "room for the holy spirit!" A fall from a horse involves a lot of variables, places that luck or skill could intervene to save the heroic being, and, because they are heroic, it does. If a creature is held helpless (the only situation when a CDG is allowed), there's none of this variability, chance, skill, or possibility, there's no room for Fate/Chance/Luck/Skill/Toughness to intervene, so it can't.* This makes the heroic character nearly as weak as any other mere mortal. It doesn't follow that "elites are not that blessed," necessarily. It could follow that there are circumstances where all the blessings in the multiverse won't save your hide. By the rules, being completely helpless is one of those circumstances, but falling is not (because you're not helpless in any way). I've never had a problem killing any character by the book before. *It's also true that a peasant with a knife deals little enough damage that a 20th-level Fighter still has a pretty good chance to get away unscathed, through sheer toughness. And also that a peasant with a knife would have a hell of a time, by the rules, getting that 20th level fighter in a position where he'd be helpless, let alone keeping him in that state long enough. But that's not really here or there. [/QUOTE]

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