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<blockquote data-quote="The Little Raven" data-source="post: 4041529" data-attributes="member: 10095">But if they're eating bread, then you need a coherent in-setting (and rules) explanation for how the humanoid races began the cultivation of cereal grains. If the rules don't support it, then it doesn't happen, as you claimed earlier, which means bread shouldn't exist unless you have those rules.Or, rather, your way is completely and utterly wrong for me, and my way is the one true path. &nbsp; Earlier, when the subject of special critical hit tables came up, I advocated against it on the grounds of rules bloat.But when you advocate needing rules for &quot;20th-level kings falling from horses and breaking their necks at full hp,&quot; that just strikes me as rules bloat, because it's a pointless expansion of extreme corner cases to cover incredibly non-standard conditions during game play.But you're still facing inconsistencies, despite your claim of coherence. If you &quot;need&quot; rules to explain how a dude falling from his horse could die instantly (instead of just treating it like the story event it is), then youDragon Magazine isn't official D&amp;D supplements. As the kids today would phrase it, it was a &quot;money grab&quot; filled with material people were &quot;convinced they needed.&quot; I just wasn't ever &quot;suckered&quot; into it.So, no, the previous editions weren't filled with that minutiae.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Little Raven, post: 4041529, member: 10095"] But if they're eating bread, then you need a coherent in-setting (and rules) explanation for how the humanoid races began the cultivation of cereal grains. If the rules don't support it, then it doesn't happen, as you claimed earlier, which means bread shouldn't exist unless you have those rules. Or, rather, your way is completely and utterly wrong for me, and my way is the one true path. Earlier, when the subject of special critical hit tables came up, I advocated against it on the grounds of rules bloat. But when you advocate needing rules for "20th-level kings falling from horses and breaking their necks at full hp," that just strikes me as rules bloat, because it's a pointless expansion of extreme corner cases to cover incredibly non-standard conditions during game play. But you're still facing inconsistencies, despite your claim of coherence. If you "need" rules to explain how a dude falling from his horse could die instantly (instead of just treating it like the story event it is), then you Dragon Magazine isn't official D&D supplements. As the kids today would phrase it, it was a "money grab" filled with material people were "convinced they needed." I just wasn't ever "suckered" into it. So, no, the previous editions weren't filled with that minutiae. [/QUOTE]

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