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<blockquote data-quote="Riastlin" data-source="post: 5509866" data-attributes="member: 94022">While I wouldn't do this for 4ed. simply because of the &quot;messyness&quot; of making such a change mid-edition, I think a good way to go about these &quot;non-adventuring&quot; skills such as professions and perform would be to treat it similar to how 3.x did, but separate from the &quot;adventuring&quot; skills.&nbsp;In other words, players would get X points (or trainings) in adventuring skills (stealth, acrobatics, etc.), and then get a separate pool of points to spend in non-adventuring skills (craft, profession, perform, etc.).&nbsp; The problem that these skills had in 3.x is that while they did occasionally come into play, they did not come into play often enough in most cases to really warrant much investment in them at the cost of improving &quot;adventuring skills&quot;.&nbsp; Giving them a separate pool though removes the &quot;penalty&quot; associated with choosing a non-optimal skill while encouraging the development of a character's background.&nbsp; As a DM, I am often somewhat frustrated by the lack of backgrounds from my players.&nbsp; A number of my players just are not into creating back stories for their characters and instead are just concerned with killing and collecting loot, etc.&nbsp; These non-adventuring skills though would essentially create a background for them without them even really thinking about it.&nbsp;Of course, not every DM has these problems and I may well be in the minority.&nbsp; ;P</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Riastlin, post: 5509866, member: 94022"] While I wouldn't do this for 4ed. simply because of the "messyness" of making such a change mid-edition, I think a good way to go about these "non-adventuring" skills such as professions and perform would be to treat it similar to how 3.x did, but separate from the "adventuring" skills. In other words, players would get X points (or trainings) in adventuring skills (stealth, acrobatics, etc.), and then get a separate pool of points to spend in non-adventuring skills (craft, profession, perform, etc.). The problem that these skills had in 3.x is that while they did occasionally come into play, they did not come into play often enough in most cases to really warrant much investment in them at the cost of improving "adventuring skills". Giving them a separate pool though removes the "penalty" associated with choosing a non-optimal skill while encouraging the development of a character's background. As a DM, I am often somewhat frustrated by the lack of backgrounds from my players. A number of my players just are not into creating back stories for their characters and instead are just concerned with killing and collecting loot, etc. These non-adventuring skills though would essentially create a background for them without them even really thinking about it. Of course, not every DM has these problems and I may well be in the minority. ;P [/QUOTE]

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