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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8437250" data-attributes="member: 42582">[USER=6795602]@FrogReaver[/USER]I agree that playing-to-throw is in some sense deviant, because if everyone did it the game would grind to a halt. But imagine a game of pure luck: I can definitely play snakes-and-ladders hoping to lose while not having to be deviant at all in my actual play. The game unfolds just the same. And everyone-playing-to-throw chess will still unfold according to the rules of play, it will just be an incredibly bad instance of the genre. (And socially a bit awkward.)An election in which every candidate was indifferent to winning and didn't campaign would also be deviant - see &quot;Clin-ton&quot; vs &quot;Dole&quot; in an old (c 1996) Simpsons Halloween episode. But the votes can still be tallied (I voted for Krang!)I agree with [USER=23751]@Maxperson[/USER] that your identity criteria for games - while perhaps useful for (say) someone programming a game simulator - are too strict to overlap with ordinary usage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8437250, member: 42582"] [USER=6795602]@FrogReaver[/USER] I agree that playing-to-throw is in some sense deviant, because if everyone did it the game would grind to a halt. But imagine a game of pure luck: I can definitely play snakes-and-ladders [I]hoping [/I]to lose while not having to be deviant at all in my actual play. The game unfolds just the same. And everyone-playing-to-throw chess will still unfold according to the rules of play, it will just be an incredibly bad instance of the genre. (And socially a bit awkward.) An election in which every candidate was indifferent to winning and didn't campaign would also be deviant - see "Clin-ton" vs "Dole" in an old (c 1996) Simpsons Halloween episode. But the votes can still be tallied (I voted for Krang!) I agree with [USER=23751]@Maxperson[/USER] that your identity criteria for games - while perhaps useful for (say) someone programming a game simulator - are too strict to overlap with ordinary usage. [/QUOTE]

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