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<blockquote data-quote="mach1.9pants" data-source="post: 3999211" data-attributes="member: 55946">I like your definition of rules and system and seems to cover older editions of DnD well.But I think that, especially as the PoL setting is not going to be fully developed, 4E is no less of a set of rules than previous. Yes there is fluff/setting there but there always has been. There are names for races in the 3E PHB, same fluff as 4E appears to be getting. 4E may have considerably more than previous editions (we don't know until the books are in our hot sweaty hands!) but this is only to help/encourage new and/or casual gamers especially good for a first time DM! I don't think the inclusion of the PoL setting will preclude making your own 'game' (in your terms) but it may take a little more work to separate the rules from fluff.With DnD really needed to attract fresh blood and they will most likely be casual gamers; I think that WotC have the right idea. Enough in the 3 first core books to get you going, without too much work, although a simple 1 page area map would be nice for a newbie <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="mach1.9pants, post: 3999211, member: 55946"] I like your definition of rules and system and seems to cover older editions of DnD well. But I think that, especially as the PoL setting is not going to be fully developed, 4E is no less of a set of rules than previous. Yes there is fluff/setting there but there always has been. There are names for races in the 3E PHB, same fluff as 4E appears to be getting. 4E may have considerably more than previous editions (we don't know until the books are in our hot sweaty hands!) but this is only to help/encourage new and/or casual gamers especially good for a first time DM! I don't think the inclusion of the PoL setting will preclude making your own 'game' (in your terms) but it may take a little more work to separate the rules from fluff. With DnD really needed to attract fresh blood and they will most likely be casual gamers; I think that WotC have the right idea. Enough in the 3 first core books to get you going, without too much work, although a simple 1 page area map would be nice for a newbie ;) [/QUOTE]

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