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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 6428508" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>Wow, some great news there: OGL, Hollywood interest, another monster book eventually, and something not mentioned yet - great sales figures. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This. You took the words out of my mouth, although I would take it a step forward: Pathfinder came out not only because WotC left 3.5 behind, but because 4E didn't have the broad appeal they hoped for. A large chunk of the community wanted a more traditional game; couple this with the OGL and you have a context ripe not only for Pathfinder, but the OSR. Although I think it is more accurate to say that the birth year, or re-birth year, of the OSR was with Dragonsfoot in 1999 and then gained momentum with Dungeon Crawl Classics, Castles & Crusades, and then later Labyrinth Lord and the rest. In other words, by the time 4E came out the OSR was already thriving and thus wasn't as much reactive to 4E as it was to 3E. </p><p></p><p>Actually - that might be an important point to keep in mind. There's always going to be a revival and reaction to the new iteration of the game. It is simply inevitable. But the scale and degree of it can vary depending upon the edition itself, how WotC handles, etc. We can see the range of difference between the OSR which, what, accounts for a few percent at most of the total D&D fan-base? Versus Pathfinder, which actually took over the number one spot. Given that the reception of 5E is seemingly *much* better than 4E, and given that they're bringing back the OGL and overall seem much more attuned with "What the people want," I don't expect to see another Pathfinder. At most we might see <em>Nerath: the RPG</em> or <em>Power Source</em> or some other kind of 4E revival, but it would likely be small, and I'm not even sure if the licensing would allow for it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're blaming this on the OGL? I think the "fracturing" and "etribalism" occurred a bit later than that, and that the worst edition war in my memory was in 2008-09, not back in the halcyon days of the OGL (2000-03ish).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, true, and people seem to forget that Paizo--whatever their strengths--are riding on the coat-tails of WotC and TSR. While I wouldn't applaud Paizo necessarily for excessive creativity or innovation, what I do applaud them for is how they handled their product. They did D&D right. They created a product format, and a quality level, that has set the standard for the last five years.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're being vague about what your problem is with the OGL, other than the possible relation to creating another Pathfinder and/or edition war, which to me is tenuous at best.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 6428508, member: 59082"] Wow, some great news there: OGL, Hollywood interest, another monster book eventually, and something not mentioned yet - great sales figures. But... This. You took the words out of my mouth, although I would take it a step forward: Pathfinder came out not only because WotC left 3.5 behind, but because 4E didn't have the broad appeal they hoped for. A large chunk of the community wanted a more traditional game; couple this with the OGL and you have a context ripe not only for Pathfinder, but the OSR. Although I think it is more accurate to say that the birth year, or re-birth year, of the OSR was with Dragonsfoot in 1999 and then gained momentum with Dungeon Crawl Classics, Castles & Crusades, and then later Labyrinth Lord and the rest. In other words, by the time 4E came out the OSR was already thriving and thus wasn't as much reactive to 4E as it was to 3E. Actually - that might be an important point to keep in mind. There's always going to be a revival and reaction to the new iteration of the game. It is simply inevitable. But the scale and degree of it can vary depending upon the edition itself, how WotC handles, etc. We can see the range of difference between the OSR which, what, accounts for a few percent at most of the total D&D fan-base? Versus Pathfinder, which actually took over the number one spot. Given that the reception of 5E is seemingly *much* better than 4E, and given that they're bringing back the OGL and overall seem much more attuned with "What the people want," I don't expect to see another Pathfinder. At most we might see [I]Nerath: the RPG[/I] or [I]Power Source[/I] or some other kind of 4E revival, but it would likely be small, and I'm not even sure if the licensing would allow for it. You're blaming this on the OGL? I think the "fracturing" and "etribalism" occurred a bit later than that, and that the worst edition war in my memory was in 2008-09, not back in the halcyon days of the OGL (2000-03ish). Yes, true, and people seem to forget that Paizo--whatever their strengths--are riding on the coat-tails of WotC and TSR. While I wouldn't applaud Paizo necessarily for excessive creativity or innovation, what I do applaud them for is how they handled their product. They did D&D right. They created a product format, and a quality level, that has set the standard for the last five years. You're being vague about what your problem is with the OGL, other than the possible relation to creating another Pathfinder and/or edition war, which to me is tenuous at best. [/QUOTE]
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