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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6429220" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>It's not that I can't understand not likeing it, it's the reason... if you said "I don't like balanced characters" or "The fights took too long" or "The skills were way too limited" or "I disliked narrative powers" or "Magic items felt boreing" I could get all of those (some of them I even agree with, since it was far from perfect) I don't understand YOUR complaint about rinse repeat...</p><p></p><p></p><p> No, not at all. You make wizards and clerics BETTER when they are already top tear classes, and you screw with the whole way feats work and it takes a lot of rules manipulation... </p><p> </p><p></p><p> I will again blame tribalism... I joined A or B side... now I have to defend it even when I should not... </p><p></p><p>I will liken it to 3rd grade. I got a NES, and a friend down the street got a sega. Both of us had home consules... but some how we always argued over witch was better... the best part is that our friends ended up picking one or the other to be 'best' Years later I look back and laugh. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>no, but they did throw gas on some of them...</p><p> </p><p> ok... my scenero always had people like you accounted for... </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>exactly, and it still crops up from time to time...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>1st, 4e was far from perfect, and was never going to be the end all be all.. </p><p>2nd there is 0 evadance I ever said anything like "unwilling to include 4If E as part of that, that the game itself was somehow not involved in its own demise"</p><p>3rd if no OGL (or a more limited controlled version) then Piazo would have still done something... but it would not be 3.75 aka pathfinder</p><p>4th the chain is very easy to see, when no one can continue to publish editions slowly die, when someone CAN continue they hold on to x% of there player base, pathfinder was the first time an active one was cloned...</p><p></p><p></p><p> and again, no one said it wasn't. However pathfinder was too...</p><p></p><p>I honestly believe that more people would have tried 4e, and some % of them would have liked it, that the vitriol and flame wars (still there) would be less and the tribalism would have not formed so tightly. </p><p></p><p>so I don't know if it would have made a big enough difference... but it would have made some...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6429220, member: 67338"] It's not that I can't understand not likeing it, it's the reason... if you said "I don't like balanced characters" or "The fights took too long" or "The skills were way too limited" or "I disliked narrative powers" or "Magic items felt boreing" I could get all of those (some of them I even agree with, since it was far from perfect) I don't understand YOUR complaint about rinse repeat... No, not at all. You make wizards and clerics BETTER when they are already top tear classes, and you screw with the whole way feats work and it takes a lot of rules manipulation... I will again blame tribalism... I joined A or B side... now I have to defend it even when I should not... I will liken it to 3rd grade. I got a NES, and a friend down the street got a sega. Both of us had home consules... but some how we always argued over witch was better... the best part is that our friends ended up picking one or the other to be 'best' Years later I look back and laugh. no, but they did throw gas on some of them... ok... my scenero always had people like you accounted for... exactly, and it still crops up from time to time... 1st, 4e was far from perfect, and was never going to be the end all be all.. 2nd there is 0 evadance I ever said anything like "unwilling to include 4If E as part of that, that the game itself was somehow not involved in its own demise" 3rd if no OGL (or a more limited controlled version) then Piazo would have still done something... but it would not be 3.75 aka pathfinder 4th the chain is very easy to see, when no one can continue to publish editions slowly die, when someone CAN continue they hold on to x% of there player base, pathfinder was the first time an active one was cloned... and again, no one said it wasn't. However pathfinder was too... I honestly believe that more people would have tried 4e, and some % of them would have liked it, that the vitriol and flame wars (still there) would be less and the tribalism would have not formed so tightly. so I don't know if it would have made a big enough difference... but it would have made some... [/QUOTE]
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