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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6429732" data-attributes="member: 177">What constitutes a "large segment"?  A majority?   Or, do you have a number in mind?  Do you know how many people did embrace it, to know the segment that did take it on was "not large"?  This sort of thing is actually a contributing factor in edition warring.  Use of vague language that will mean different things to different people, and thoroughly unsupportable by real data.  We don't have hard data.  We should not speak as if we do.Is this information for which you have a citation, or are you assuming you know the reasons?We know that a lot of people didn't like 4e.  We know that WotC chose to create a new game.  But, as they say, correlation does not imply causation.  While, if you were forced to bet, this would probably not be the worse bet you could make, it still remains that there could have been other reasons for the change.  I say this for a very simple reason - more important than, "How many people have embraced 4e?" is, "How much more can we do with 4e?"  Combine this with the change in strategy with regards to the brand.  Was 4e really a good platform upon which to base expansion into other media?  4e was a carefully crafted and balanced game - in that sense, it was perhaps the best constructed game the hobby has ever seen.  But the problem with that tight construction, and the expectations that construction brings, is that it is, compared to other approaches, inflexible.  That, more than how many folks had picked it up, may well have spelled its demise.  Your version of events is plausible.  But so is mine.  So, which one is right?  You believe yours is.  But do you know it, in the verifiable fact, sense?  If not, why do you speak as if it is a verifiable fact, instead of a compelling interpretation of data?And, here you have just missed a major point of going with an open license for 5e.  If they have an open license, nobody has to wait for WotC to come out with more detailed modular options.  Those could be built by 3rd parties!</blockquote>

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