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<blockquote data-quote="MGibster" data-source="post: 8749719" data-attributes="member: 4534">Not from most points of view, at least not in my experience.&nbsp; Even in the old days with adventures like Keep on the Borderlands, it was usually made clear in the adventures that PCs were kicking doors and clearing out bad guys.&nbsp; i.e.&nbsp; The default assumption of most of those fantasy games isn't that the PCs are bad guys.&nbsp; Necessary Evil is,&nbsp; by necessity, a game where the PCs are most definitely villains.&nbsp; My group made over-the-top villains in the vein of the silver age of comics.&nbsp; Having read a lot of Dredd comics, I'll have to disagree at least in part.&nbsp; <ol>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">At great risk to himself, Dredd went out of his way to avoid killing a citizen suffering from future shock who was going on a rampage.&nbsp; </li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">He used his discretionary budget to provide a dying girl with a robot body so that she might live.&nbsp; He was under no legal obligation, but did so out of a genuine desire to help her.&nbsp; When she later died anyway Dredd was devastated. </li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">He went out of his way to save the life of a citizen who mutated into a spider creature and placed her somewhere where she couldn't do any harm until doctors found the cure.&nbsp; When she broke into Mega-City One in later issue asd a nearly mindless spider, Dredd went out of his way to capture her unharmed in the hopes that she might be cured.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">When Dredd had doubts as to the legitimacy of the Judge System, he lobbied the Council of Five to allow the citizens to vote on whether they wanted democracy or to keep the system.&nbsp; Most Megacity citizens couldn't be bothered to vote one way or the other.&nbsp; </li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">From the age of 5-20, Dredd was in training to become a judge.&nbsp; That's some child soldier brain washing material right there.&nbsp; </li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">When the city had to face a grave psychic theat, the head of the Psi-Judges elected to send himself to face it on the grounds that it was a death sentence and he couldn't in good conscience order anyone to do something he wasn't willing to do himself.&nbsp; (Most facist leaders would happily throw their underlings at the problem.)&nbsp; </li>
</ol>I'm not saying the Judge System is good, there are plenty of instances where people got the shaft for breaking a minor law that nobody really knows why is on the books, but I can't classify Dredd himself as a villain.&nbsp; I think he's more complicated than that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MGibster, post: 8749719, member: 4534"] Not from most points of view, at least not in my experience. Even in the old days with adventures like Keep on the Borderlands, it was usually made clear in the adventures that PCs were kicking doors and clearing out bad guys. i.e. The default assumption of most of those fantasy games isn't that the PCs are bad guys. Necessary Evil is, by necessity, a game where the PCs [I]are [/I]most definitely villains. My group made over-the-top villains in the vein of the silver age of comics. Having read a lot of Dredd comics, I'll have to disagree at least in part. [LIST=1] [*]At great risk to himself, Dredd went out of his way to avoid killing a citizen suffering from future shock who was going on a rampage. [*]He used his discretionary budget to provide a dying girl with a robot body so that she might live. He was under no legal obligation, but did so out of a genuine desire to help her. When she later died anyway Dredd was devastated. [*]He went out of his way to save the life of a citizen who mutated into a spider creature and placed her somewhere where she couldn't do any harm until doctors found the cure. When she broke into Mega-City One in later issue asd a nearly mindless spider, Dredd went out of his way to capture her unharmed in the hopes that she might be cured. [*]When Dredd had doubts as to the legitimacy of the Judge System, he lobbied the Council of Five to allow the citizens to vote on whether they wanted democracy or to keep the system. Most Megacity citizens couldn't be bothered to vote one way or the other. [*]From the age of 5-20, Dredd was in training to become a judge. That's some child soldier brain washing material right there. [*]When the city had to face a grave psychic theat, the head of the Psi-Judges elected to send himself to face it on the grounds that it was a death sentence and he couldn't in good conscience order anyone to do something he wasn't willing to do himself. (Most facist leaders would happily throw their underlings at the problem.) [/LIST] I'm not saying the Judge System is good, there are plenty of instances where people got the shaft for breaking a minor law that nobody really knows why is on the books, but I can't classify Dredd himself as a villain. I think he's more complicated than that. [/QUOTE]

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