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<blockquote data-quote="Blue Orange" data-source="post: 8463802" data-attributes="member: 7025997"><p>So you have unwittingly found the one person sympathetic to your argument. My family is from Latin America, and when I proudly told my dad about all the bad things the Spanish did to the natives, he pointed out, "You ever wonder why there are lots of indigenous people in Latin America but none in British America?" (I'm also half Jewish, which means I get to joke about how <em>El Cantar de Mio Cid</em> has a scene about half of my ancestors ripping each other off. I'm on both sides of the expulsion of the Jews in 1492! But--realistically, go back far enough and odds were some of your ancestors were doing bad things to another group of your ancestors.) I got to hear how the Spanish Armada was destroyed through English ingenuity and design in school, and a storm at home.</p><p></p><p>I am aware of the Black Legend, and will grant you that the narrative of the Spanish crown being infinitely worse than the British has...an air of British propaganda to it, not to mention history being written by the winners (<em>o estaríamos charlando en español). </em>As for anti-Catholic prejudice, while the Church suppressed Galileo, they were also the ones keeping what was left of classical learning alive through the Middle Ages. So it's not totally fair. (And for example, the Catholic church doesn't have a problem with evolution, unlike certain Protestant sects in the USA.)</p><p></p><p>But, you know, think about it. Games Workshop is a <em>British </em>company<em>. </em>People like to favor their own group, and Spaniards aren't a group people on the left feel all that bad for, as a former colonial power. Now has there been Russian and Chinese imperialism? You bet! (Knew a gal from Vietnam who had all kinds of things to say about the second one...) But there isn't a large and loud Spanish-British or Spanish-American lobby (Hispanic Americans are from all over Latin America and have our own disagreements), and due to American cultural politics the Catholic church doesn't have much leverage over generally left-leaning game designers. (I can't speak to the British variety, though given the linguistic similarity I'd bet there's a lot of crossover.) Note that Russia <em>is</em> often used as a villain in American Hollywood productions, since there's no concern about racism there.</p><p></p><p>tl;dr: you've got old-school Protestant-Catholic rivalry (the Brits spent a <em>lot</em> of their history fighting Catholic powers like Spain and France) plus new-school concerns about racism to make the Catholic church (like Russia) one of the few remaining acceptable targets. (I actually kind of think the USA, with its large Irish/Polish/Italian/Latin American immigrant populations, wouldn't have leaned into that, though we mess up lots of other stuff.)</p><p></p><p>Best thing I can think to say is either (1) try for the Spanish RPG market, which I think is still undercapitalized or (2) make Spanish-centered medieval European supplements, most of the stuff is still Britain/France/Germany.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blue Orange, post: 8463802, member: 7025997"] So you have unwittingly found the one person sympathetic to your argument. My family is from Latin America, and when I proudly told my dad about all the bad things the Spanish did to the natives, he pointed out, "You ever wonder why there are lots of indigenous people in Latin America but none in British America?" (I'm also half Jewish, which means I get to joke about how [I]El Cantar de Mio Cid[/I] has a scene about half of my ancestors ripping each other off. I'm on both sides of the expulsion of the Jews in 1492! But--realistically, go back far enough and odds were some of your ancestors were doing bad things to another group of your ancestors.) I got to hear how the Spanish Armada was destroyed through English ingenuity and design in school, and a storm at home. I am aware of the Black Legend, and will grant you that the narrative of the Spanish crown being infinitely worse than the British has...an air of British propaganda to it, not to mention history being written by the winners ([I]o estaríamos charlando en español). [/I]As for anti-Catholic prejudice, while the Church suppressed Galileo, they were also the ones keeping what was left of classical learning alive through the Middle Ages. So it's not totally fair. (And for example, the Catholic church doesn't have a problem with evolution, unlike certain Protestant sects in the USA.) But, you know, think about it. Games Workshop is a [I]British [/I]company[I]. [/I]People like to favor their own group, and Spaniards aren't a group people on the left feel all that bad for, as a former colonial power. Now has there been Russian and Chinese imperialism? You bet! (Knew a gal from Vietnam who had all kinds of things to say about the second one...) But there isn't a large and loud Spanish-British or Spanish-American lobby (Hispanic Americans are from all over Latin America and have our own disagreements), and due to American cultural politics the Catholic church doesn't have much leverage over generally left-leaning game designers. (I can't speak to the British variety, though given the linguistic similarity I'd bet there's a lot of crossover.) Note that Russia [I]is[/I] often used as a villain in American Hollywood productions, since there's no concern about racism there. tl;dr: you've got old-school Protestant-Catholic rivalry (the Brits spent a [I]lot[/I] of their history fighting Catholic powers like Spain and France) plus new-school concerns about racism to make the Catholic church (like Russia) one of the few remaining acceptable targets. (I actually kind of think the USA, with its large Irish/Polish/Italian/Latin American immigrant populations, wouldn't have leaned into that, though we mess up lots of other stuff.) Best thing I can think to say is either (1) try for the Spanish RPG market, which I think is still undercapitalized or (2) make Spanish-centered medieval European supplements, most of the stuff is still Britain/France/Germany. [/QUOTE]
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