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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saphirahn" data-source="post: 159458" data-attributes="member: 476">I'm sorry but I just realy couldent sit still any longer and JohnNephew is the only one realy seeming to stand up for GF. GF Jeff is stating facts and Talon is providing a source to get it for a little less but generally the fact seems to remain that everyone wants to think of it as a Magazine, a $20 magazine. I'm sorry Kap... but to use your own logic it would seem like that was a contridiction..  GF does something that Dragon and Dungeon magazine will never do. Admitantly it is pricy I wont argue but its battling an invisible foe that shouldent exist.Dungeon and Dragon Magazines are on the average 1/3 Advertisements.  It takes a Single Dungeon and a Single Dragon to = a Gaming fronteirs in terms of size and type of material. but 1/3 of that is useless other than to be an FYI and many times its not something exclusivly D20. they are computer game or stuff like that.  so it in trueth would take 2 Dragons and a Dungeon Magazine to equal one Gaming Fronteirs. Hmmm.. each of the WotC Mags are $6 x 3 = 18 vs your $20 of Gaming Fronteirs. I wont stop their however. GF does something else Dragon and Dungeon cant do and can potentially save you alot of money. it provides you with a Taste of D20 Companies that short of buying their material at $8-$25 a pop you can get a glimps of the kind of flavor they are able to generate. IF you like the Magic items that Thunderhead created in GF 1 & 2 then checkout Bluffside or Interludes. if not at least you saw a sampling of their writing. same goes for all the other publishers that provided material to GF. In terms of Potentially Usefull stuff GF has Dragon and Dungeon beat.  Yes its $20... maybe they can work on that by cutting some or all the color and maybe setting the format to be more fixed on terms of page count so they can bring the costs down to about $15-$16 a book which we'd all prolly like better than $20 but as it was pointed out earlier GF is providing minimal waste of space advertising and are attempting to cater to the D20 community by giving people usefull, interesting and more enjoyable or usefull stuff for your dollar. Dragon and Dungeon will never realy cater to the D20 Publishing market at large. so where else can you go to find out and get a strong sampling of other D20 publishers without having to risk your hard earned dollars on buying each and every one of them.I am able to look at the material in GF and read through the monsters or Items or Pclasses that they have created and decide for myself if I think they've got a good grasp of D20. is their writing style clear on both a astetic and mechanical level. just from GF 1 I know their are some publishers I wont persue further likly. at the same time others I will cause I liked what they had to offer their. I suspect I'm starting to ramble here but GF is not a magazine. its a D20 Sourcebook on D20.  to think otherwise is only selling yourself short.</blockquote>

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