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<blockquote data-quote="Xyxox" data-source="post: 3753057" data-attributes="member: 16542"><p>I look at tabletop gaming and the economic realities involved and wonder where the direction will be.</p><p></p><p>I'm a gamer. I like a plethora of games, not the least of which is D&D. I, like all gamers, have a finite sum of money to spend on my hobby(ies). That sum increases and decreases with the pressures of real world economics as well as real world time constraints.</p><p></p><p>I'm looking at the direction of a few of my favorite games.</p><p></p><p>#1, because the upgrade is coming much sooner, is Warhammer 40K. Probably not the most popular game on ENWorld, but still one I like and one which gives me a satisfaction from the modeling aspect. For those who do not know, Warhammer 40K will be taking a dramatic direction in Octoiber with the release of a rules set called <em>Apocalypse</em>. What makes <em>Apocalypse</em> so different is the scale of battles. <em>Apocalypse</em> is designed to allow any player to field every model they own in epic battles of huge scales. It's also a marketing scheme to sell large sets of models at a cut rate per model price. An example of the scales will be an entire Space Marine Battle Company which will include 106 Space Marines and nine vehicles. This is expected to be priced at $450 (which would be on the order of ~$700 if purchased separately). For those in the know, you could not field a Space Marine army under the existing 40K rules as it's too big, but under <em>Apocalypse</em> it's 100% legal plus there are bonuses for fielding a full battle company of Space Marines. Add to this other large army sets at cut rate prices (though no boxed set costing as much as the Space Marines) and my gamer instinct is peaked. I'm interested in several armies, but my finances are finite, so purchases will be dependent upon interest in the new rules.</p><p></p><p>#2 Warhammer Fantasy Battle - This is another game I love and the newest edition is slowly upgrading existing armies. I have an Orc Army and an Empire Army. I've a partial Dwarf Army and may build that up as well. High Elves are due for a makeover in November and that could also gain my interest, plus the Vampire Counts have always been an interesting army to me and if they get a makeover early next year, I will definitely be adding them to my list.</p><p></p><p>#3 D&D - A perennial favorite, the new rules will determine my direction here. I have always loved the game, though the minitatures selection since 3E has been less than stellar in my opinion primarily due to the sales and marketing model. I like to know what I'm getting when I buy miniatures (as evidenced by my love of the GW lines). Knowing this brings me to two games I'm very interested in but have yet to make the plunge...</p><p></p><p>#4 & #5 Warhammer Fantasy Role Playing and Dark Heresy (Warhammer 40K RP). These games have my interest right now and may end up with my D&D dollars simply because I have so many miniatures for both already in my collection.</p><p></p><p>So there I am with my favorite games and potential future directions. 4E has some competition for my gaming dollars, especially with huge armies fielded in <em>Apocalypse</em> combined with the option of re-purposing those minis for role playing games as well.</p><p></p><p>What I'm wondering is, how are personal gaming economies coming into play with ENWorlders out there and do others also have a potential of letting D&D go completely by the wayside with 4E as I do? I admit, the D&D Insider component sounds intriguing and could keep me involved with the game as I would use virtual minis, but my gaming dollars are finite and I can spend on only so much material.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Xyxox, post: 3753057, member: 16542"] I look at tabletop gaming and the economic realities involved and wonder where the direction will be. I'm a gamer. I like a plethora of games, not the least of which is D&D. I, like all gamers, have a finite sum of money to spend on my hobby(ies). That sum increases and decreases with the pressures of real world economics as well as real world time constraints. I'm looking at the direction of a few of my favorite games. #1, because the upgrade is coming much sooner, is Warhammer 40K. Probably not the most popular game on ENWorld, but still one I like and one which gives me a satisfaction from the modeling aspect. For those who do not know, Warhammer 40K will be taking a dramatic direction in Octoiber with the release of a rules set called [i]Apocalypse[/i]. What makes [i]Apocalypse[/i] so different is the scale of battles. [i]Apocalypse[/i] is designed to allow any player to field every model they own in epic battles of huge scales. It's also a marketing scheme to sell large sets of models at a cut rate per model price. An example of the scales will be an entire Space Marine Battle Company which will include 106 Space Marines and nine vehicles. This is expected to be priced at $450 (which would be on the order of ~$700 if purchased separately). For those in the know, you could not field a Space Marine army under the existing 40K rules as it's too big, but under [i]Apocalypse[/i] it's 100% legal plus there are bonuses for fielding a full battle company of Space Marines. Add to this other large army sets at cut rate prices (though no boxed set costing as much as the Space Marines) and my gamer instinct is peaked. I'm interested in several armies, but my finances are finite, so purchases will be dependent upon interest in the new rules. #2 Warhammer Fantasy Battle - This is another game I love and the newest edition is slowly upgrading existing armies. I have an Orc Army and an Empire Army. I've a partial Dwarf Army and may build that up as well. High Elves are due for a makeover in November and that could also gain my interest, plus the Vampire Counts have always been an interesting army to me and if they get a makeover early next year, I will definitely be adding them to my list. #3 D&D - A perennial favorite, the new rules will determine my direction here. I have always loved the game, though the minitatures selection since 3E has been less than stellar in my opinion primarily due to the sales and marketing model. I like to know what I'm getting when I buy miniatures (as evidenced by my love of the GW lines). Knowing this brings me to two games I'm very interested in but have yet to make the plunge... #4 & #5 Warhammer Fantasy Role Playing and Dark Heresy (Warhammer 40K RP). These games have my interest right now and may end up with my D&D dollars simply because I have so many miniatures for both already in my collection. So there I am with my favorite games and potential future directions. 4E has some competition for my gaming dollars, especially with huge armies fielded in [i]Apocalypse[/i] combined with the option of re-purposing those minis for role playing games as well. What I'm wondering is, how are personal gaming economies coming into play with ENWorlders out there and do others also have a potential of letting D&D go completely by the wayside with 4E as I do? I admit, the D&D Insider component sounds intriguing and could keep me involved with the game as I would use virtual minis, but my gaming dollars are finite and I can spend on only so much material. [/QUOTE]
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