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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jdrakeh" data-source="post: 2759904" data-attributes="member: 13892">Good example... I just had my application for a local V:TM group turned down because I stated that I didn't like chronicles in which the Storyteller creates your sire and then uses them as a walking deus ex device to beat, pester, or otherwise force a PC into following a pre-scripted plotline. This is the opposite of an open game <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Older versions of the Vampire game openly advocated that a PC's sire be used in exactly this manner, and it made games incredibly unfun (well, unless you got into RPGs to be forcefully lead around by the nose thorugh somebody else's pre-constructed story arc). Some of the worst games that I'ver ever played were specifically bad bacuse the GM was a strict adherant to this idealogy of what a roleplaying game should be about. Now, later Vampire supplements and games (Dark Ages: Vampire, for example) de-emphasized this approach to sires and storytelling, but some people really clung to the old paradigm (for whatever reason). If you want an example of what a 'closed' game looks like, go eyeball copies of The Giovanni Chrionicle or The Transylvania Chronicles. These two chronicles are extremely heavy-handed on the deus ex railroading. Now, I'm not going to say that closed adventures are bad, but the difference between a closed game and an open game is the difference between watching a movie or reading a book and acting in a movie or writing a book. I got into RPGs to create stories, not be guided through pre-existing ones. I understand that some people really like the latter approach to play, but I'm not one of them. Really, in retrospect, it was probably a good thing that my application to the Vampire game in question was turned down. I can say with 100% certainty that I would have been absolutely miserable playing through a completely pre-scripted story arc.</blockquote>

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