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Message: <blockquote data-quote="D'Raven" data-source="post: 6053921" data-attributes="member: 6699311">... Sorry as some one who plays rogues the true seeing effect is something of a sticking point. It states on the spell that it does not help with hiding creatures. If you want to ... Sorry of this comes across as angry.... Screw over stealth characters more then they are already. cast arcane sight you will know exactly where a stealth character is because of their gear. Three people with detect magic cast could find a character who hides no matter their modifier unless they takes specific route or forgoes all magical gear. Then there is blind sense /sight, scent, tremorsense.  There are ways around everything. You want to see me you have a 1 in 20 chance jemal has ruled nat20s as plus 40. I stopped posting making a stealth check because not one person has made a single perception check.My apologies. The problems of the hide skill bring out a sore spot with me. As jemal said it is not the skill it is my modifier. hides only saving grace is that is the easiest skill to jack up.</blockquote>