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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Binder Fred" data-source="post: 6053935" data-attributes="member: 63746">The fact remains, D'Raven, that Raven is hiding/deceiving our senses using magic, a thing True Seeing is specifically designed to counter. You, to put it in your own words, are suggesting we "screw over" TS, making it possible for at least some magically hiding NPC villains ("magically" being the important word here) to sneak up on any of us any time they want, even when we have the specific spell designed to counter this ready and in place... Might I remind you of Jemal's MAD principle? Especially if, as you say, he specifically picks monsters based on party weaknesses? You are apparently pushing hard for us to a have a huge gap in our spotting defenses.My own belief is that HiPS has the implied mention "hiding character are exactly as hidden as if they had successfully hidden in said shadow (see Darkvision and Bright Lights)". I see no reason, logically, why it shouldn't be that way, and nothing in the ability's description that hints otherwise, but as that would be a serious cut in its power level, that is an entirely different set of arguments, ones best discussed between you and Jemal. I maintain my views on the application of TS to this situation however, its description specifically saying, IMHO, that it doesn't work againt *mundane* hiding (as both hider and concealment are fully real and appearing as they really are), but does indeed work against *anything* that magically conceals, hides or attempts to visually deceive, having been designed to do just that.</blockquote>

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