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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Binder Fred" data-source="post: 6056014" data-attributes="member: 63746">Alright, let me try to wrap my head around that. We are talking about the barebone Hide skill, no magic involved. I am a rogue, Hiding in shadows. My victim is aware but doesn't now where I am exactly (no Surprise to simplify things). I jump out, stab her, and then I can immediately re-hide at -20 as a free action? Or do I actually need to move after the attack to gain the free hide (i.e. I need Springing Attack)? In which case, what is the mechanichal dis-advantage of being seen when actually doing the attack? The attacker has moved since then, so the defender still has no idea where he is, only where he was when he attacked... And, now that I think about it, if the attacker was seen, even for a second, he *cannot* re-hide as he violates the "cannot be observed, even casually" condition. So the basic hide rules, by their own logic, seem to forbid mundane hiding after a melee attack *at all*, if we go with the "seen between hide checks" interpretation. To state that the Snipping Move requirement was intended to compensate for remaining wholly unseen vs the melee version is therefore without basis : mundane hiding *requires* that you remain wholly unseen to continue hiding.Now this tells us little about the HiPS (absence of) mechanics, granted. The argument there remains wholly one of common sense: a man re-hiding after a very physical attack should not be able to do so faster than a man re-hiding after a much more discreete move from range (releasing an arrow) if the powers description itself says nothing about it. Also note that by the current interpretation's logic, a Snipping character should have the option of NOT spending a Move to re-hide "unseen" and instead choose to move, hide, shoot, re-hide melee style, for example. Something not at all mentionned in the Snipping description.</blockquote>

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