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Message: <blockquote data-quote="D'Raven" data-source="post: 6056070" data-attributes="member: 6699311"><p>You are putting way to much logic in to this. This is a fantasy world and we are fairly fantciful characters. Or are you telling me that you are a psionic dwarf that can walk on walls and change his size in real life. At this point you are simply arguing for the sake of it. There has been a ruleing by the DM, it is a bit harsher on me then I actually expected with the penalties and what causes them. A character our level should need a roll of about 6 to see me if they choose to try to have a perception score. Not base their character on it, but simple devote skill ranks and maybe a item. Any "monster" would be unable to miss me because of their massive amount of HD. Can have skills higher then ours and not much else to spend them on exempt perception and stealth.. I am going to play my character within the rules as given and defined in this game. But personally i am done with this. If you care to continue with this argument then my suggestion is to search out one of the many forums that are discussing this.</p></blockquote><p></p>