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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shayuri" data-source="post: 5557734" data-attributes="member: 4936">Monk is actually great for shapeshifters, since that Wis bonus sticks to all the shapes...but you're right in that I don't need 20 levels for that. I also like the Epic feats that bounce ranged attacks and ranged touches...but again, don't need 20 for that.In fact, I've been revising my build heavily today. I'm packing in more Ranger, less Monk. Why?Cuz I started looking at critters who have more than 18 HD...and I want some of that action. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Stay tuned for a whole new build.Jemal, what specifically about the Druid are you changing in exchange for no spells? Surely not just BAB?Oh! Also! Any thoughts on how I can get natural attacks to penetrate Epic DR without getting Ki Strike (Adamantine) first?</blockquote>