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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 5445461" data-attributes="member: 4348">I was reading many of the comments over at the thread about banning and...ironically I was thinking about...WOW...what a lot of jerks.  I occasionally game with a more passive take...and sometimes game with a very non-passive take.  Ironic then that when I am being more passive that according to some I would be a casual gamer and hence be offensive?  Some of that information blows my mind.  Then I started thinking on it some more today.  Perhaps I am a casual gamer?I have over a thousand books of RPGs, and that's not counting magazines.  I am in two or three campaigns that are ongoing.  I obviously go to forums that talk about RPGs, some more than others.I normally don't pay to go to Cons and I normally don't go to Cons and play in games.  In fact I normally don't play RPGs with anyone but friends.  Since I almost always ONLY play with people I know and friends to begin with...is THAT what qualifies me as a casual gamer?When looking at other threads about people walking out of games, I found that I would qualify as walking out of one game where the people were jerks.  It was a Pathfinder game where two of the people knew that I played 4e (and I also play 3.5 and AD&D...but for some reason that didn't matter to them or cross their minds).  They were rather merciless most of the time I was there to ask repeatedly why I'd ever play such a terrible system (actually their words were framed in four letter words that probably would get me banned if I repeated their statements...and at the least the post modified) and all the horrendous (and what I felt uneducated ideas) on 4e.   Then they would praise Pathfinder...and then thrash on 4e some more.  It was more like they were there to put 4e down then to play Pathfinder. Instead of putting up with it I eventually left.  It was one of the groups that I actually tried playing that were a bunch of strangers at first.I'm not putting a system down here...but thinking on something different.  Perhaps the relationship that you have with a group determines the reactions of those in the group.  I NEVER have had these problems with friends and gaming with them.  I HAVE had these problems with strangers.  I have friends in 4e that disallow Tieflings (core race), several classes, and houserule some core concepts (some of the abilities, no coup de graces, etc.).  I don't have a problem with them doing that in their campaigns I play in, and hopefully they don't have problems in campaigns I run (I sometimes houserule things like Sunder, or grappling in 3.5, but they already understand these things).   So I'm thinking that these entire problems that people have, either with others banning, or with walking out maybe due in part to them gaming with those who were not originally friends to begin with, but were strangers (strangers can become friends eventually, but the dynamic may be different if you meet via RPGing rather than friendship from the start).  So if you game with friends, perhaps you are of a similar or same mind on some concepts, whereas with strangers you are not?If that is the case, perhaps that's why people would have problems with DM's who are strangers banning things, or problems with others and walking out.  On the otherhand, you put up more with your friends, or are of a similar mindset, and so such problems don't really arise?I'm curious if a majority of those who oppose certain things being banned are more likely to game with strangers or not.  It would make sense that if you regularly enter new games that you would want a common basis in the rules, hence banning something by a DM or items in that arena would make you more hostile to the idea.  In addition, you stand a higher chance of gaming with people who are jerks, or idiots, or just not really able to jive with your same mindset, and needing to leave due to that.Now there's no way for me to know ALL they dynamics with who people game with...so the poll is flawed from the start.  However I'm curious who people game with.  If you think this is or isn't something that directly relates to your thoughts on how powerful the DM should be with the ban hammer, or how strangers relate to your gaming experiences...please, put some words down about it.PS:  and obviously, some of this stuff is VERY tongue in cheek...so if you're offended by it...well...hmmm....sorry...I think it was Olidmarra, Hextor, and Kord along with the Shoggoth that came to play that put me up to it...</blockquote>

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