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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5786092" data-attributes="member: 54877">My disagreement here is that to the extent that the above quote is correct, you can substitute &quot;simulationism&quot; or &quot;narrativism&quot; (or probably any number of things, such as &quot;drama&quot;) into the place of gamism, and it will still be equally true.&nbsp; You seem to be suggesting, if I read you correctly, that there is something inherently simulationist or narrativist about a group making a social contract to pretend.&nbsp; This I reject as thus far unshown by this discussion. It seems to be the premise rather than the conclusion of the arguments thus far.&nbsp;I'll even go so far as to say that it is entirely possible to have a social contract to pretend without any of the GNS elements present.&nbsp; One easy way is to drop any pretense of story.&nbsp; &quot;Hey, I'm being an elf.&nbsp; Isn't that neat?&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Oh yeah, can I be a gnome?&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Sure.&quot;&nbsp; &quot;What are we doing?&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Oh, just hanging around being and elf and a gnome.&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Cool.&quot;&nbsp; My early frustrated storyteller remembers scenes like this when I was around six.&nbsp; The &quot;icky girls&quot; always seemed to want to play this way, for some reason. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5786092, member: 54877"] My disagreement here is that to the extent that the above quote is correct, you can substitute "simulationism" or "narrativism" (or probably any number of things, such as "drama") into the place of gamism, and it will still be equally true. You seem to be suggesting, if I read you correctly, that there is something [B]inherently[/B] simulationist or narrativist about a group making a social contract to pretend. This I reject as thus far unshown by this discussion. It seems to be the premise rather than the conclusion of the arguments thus far. I'll even go so far as to say that it is entirely possible to have a social contract to pretend without any of the GNS elements present. One easy way is to drop any pretense of story. "Hey, I'm being an elf. Isn't that neat?" "Oh yeah, can I be a gnome?" "Sure." "What are we doing?" "Oh, just hanging around being and elf and a gnome." "Cool." My early frustrated storyteller remembers scenes like this when I was around six. The "icky girls" always seemed to want to play this way, for some reason. :p [/QUOTE]

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