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<blockquote data-quote="Balesir" data-source="post: 5790361" data-attributes="member: 27160">No, I'm saying that what the player is focussed on creating when a third party is responsible for setting the parameters of the situation/story is different from what they are focussed on adding to the game when the responsibility for generating a story is theirs and that is what they want to do. This is what I mean by the players' &quot;agenda&quot;. &quot;I want to take part in a story&quot; is different from &quot;I want to make a story happen&quot;. Both are fine objectives for a roleplaying session, but to call them &quot;the same agenda&quot; makes no sense to me.By those lights, the Threefold is, too - are we having fun, yet?GNS and the Threefold are two different but compatible models. They are not mutually exclusive (or even competitive) - they talk about different things (reasons for in-game resolution decision making vs. the agenda a player at the table has for what they want to spend their energy creating). Both are, in their own sphere, useful but possibly flawed/incomplete theories.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Balesir, post: 5790361, member: 27160"] No, I'm saying that what the player is focussed on creating when a third party is responsible for setting the parameters of the situation/story is different from what they are focussed on adding to the game when the responsibility for generating a story is theirs and that is what they want to do. This is what I mean by the players' "agenda". "I want to take part in a story" is different from "I want to make a story happen". Both are fine objectives for a roleplaying session, but to call them "the same agenda" makes no sense to me. By those lights, the Threefold is, too - are we having fun, yet? GNS and the Threefold are two different but compatible models. They are not mutually exclusive (or even competitive) - they talk about different things (reasons for in-game resolution decision making vs. the agenda a player at the table has for what they want to spend their energy creating). Both are, in their own sphere, useful but possibly flawed/incomplete theories. [/QUOTE]

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