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<blockquote data-quote="Rogue Agent" data-source="post: 5791457" data-attributes="member: 6673496"><p>Oddly, this appears to be true of "exploration" in the sense that Edwards defines it in the Big Model. As Justin Alexander noted in that link S'mon posted a few pages back, Edwards using the same terms he uses to describe simulationism to describe <em>all roleplaying activities</em> is a dead give-away that something is wrong with Edwards' conception of simulationism.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, not really. First, since we don't know anything about the questions asked, it's difficult to draw any conclusions from it. We know the conclusions WotC drew (and then ignored in 2008), but we have no way of validating those conclusions or looking for alternative (or additional) interpretations of the data.</p><p></p><p>So WotC's conclusions are interesting insofar as they go, but insofar as they don't seem to really be addressing any of the stuff GNS is addressing it's difficult to see how the two results actually mesh.</p><p></p><p>What's probably more damaging to GNS is actually the "8 core values", since it completely devastates the exclusivity which still lies tangled up in the heart of the theory (despite being mellowed somewhat).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rogue Agent, post: 5791457, member: 6673496"] Oddly, this appears to be true of "exploration" in the sense that Edwards defines it in the Big Model. As Justin Alexander noted in that link S'mon posted a few pages back, Edwards using the same terms he uses to describe simulationism to describe [i]all roleplaying activities[/i] is a dead give-away that something is wrong with Edwards' conception of simulationism. Well, not really. First, since we don't know anything about the questions asked, it's difficult to draw any conclusions from it. We know the conclusions WotC drew (and then ignored in 2008), but we have no way of validating those conclusions or looking for alternative (or additional) interpretations of the data. So WotC's conclusions are interesting insofar as they go, but insofar as they don't seem to really be addressing any of the stuff GNS is addressing it's difficult to see how the two results actually mesh. What's probably more damaging to GNS is actually the "8 core values", since it completely devastates the exclusivity which still lies tangled up in the heart of the theory (despite being mellowed somewhat). [/QUOTE]
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