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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5800953" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>A lot of modern art is pedestrian, isn't it? I'm not much of an art historian, and am happy to be corrected by those who are, but I would say that Duchamp's "Fountain" has a lot to answer for!</p><p></p><p>It's one of the earliest works that I know of in which the idea is more important than the execution (although the aesthetic character of the urinal as a work of ceramics is also part of it - but important mostly, I think, for how it feeds into and reinforces the idea).</p><p></p><p>I personally think "Fountain" is brilliant, although board rules probably preclude explaining why. But once you set up an approach to art in which idea will trump execution, it's likely you're going to get a lot of duds, because not every artist's idea is going to be brilliant. And increasingly, especially in "found object" visual art works, there is not even a great aesthetic component to the idea.</p><p></p><p>But my comment upthread was about influence, not quality. Whether or not one likes Fountain and the work that has followed it, I think it's influence is utterly pervasive, in all sorts of ways. Whether that's a good or a bad thing might depend on whether or not you think that modern art and design is overwhelmingly ugly (and there can be subtleties here, because one might hate the stereotypical modern building and yet love The Simpsons or South Park, although arguably they are both grounded in a common foundation).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 5800953, member: 42582"] A lot of modern art is pedestrian, isn't it? I'm not much of an art historian, and am happy to be corrected by those who are, but I would say that Duchamp's "Fountain" has a lot to answer for! It's one of the earliest works that I know of in which the idea is more important than the execution (although the aesthetic character of the urinal as a work of ceramics is also part of it - but important mostly, I think, for how it feeds into and reinforces the idea). I personally think "Fountain" is brilliant, although board rules probably preclude explaining why. But once you set up an approach to art in which idea will trump execution, it's likely you're going to get a lot of duds, because not every artist's idea is going to be brilliant. And increasingly, especially in "found object" visual art works, there is not even a great aesthetic component to the idea. But my comment upthread was about influence, not quality. Whether or not one likes Fountain and the work that has followed it, I think it's influence is utterly pervasive, in all sorts of ways. Whether that's a good or a bad thing might depend on whether or not you think that modern art and design is overwhelmingly ugly (and there can be subtleties here, because one might hate the stereotypical modern building and yet love The Simpsons or South Park, although arguably they are both grounded in a common foundation). [/QUOTE]
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