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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rykion" data-source="post: 4191696" data-attributes="member: 33035">Very common of PCs in some RPGs.  Rifts being a prime example.  Gandalf expected to die fighting the Balrog and was willing to sacrifice himself for the mission.  Of course he did die fighting the Balrog, who was of the same race as Gandalf, so I don't think that really qualifies as an ass kicking.Very common of some PCs in all RPGs.  He was the party leader.  Eowyn and Merry took out one of the most powerful enemies physically beaten.  Sam and Frodo accomplished the actual mission.  You can find powergamers in practically every party.  There were at least 2 other magical weapons from the loot that Glamdring came from.  A scrying tool like a Palantir clearly belongs to a wizard.  He was adventuring solo when he picked up Shadowfax.Several of the PCs knew quite a bit.  Aragorn and Legolas definitely had a lot more knowledge than most the group.  The hobbits' players eyes probably glazed over during the DM's plot exposition, and he didn't feel like repeating himself.Being rude is hardly out of character for a PC.  Pippin's player obviously ignored the DM's warnings too much, and Gandalf's player just wasn't having any of it.Gandalf wasn't always flashy, but he didn't let his fellow PCs suffer when he could help.No he is clearly a PC in a game with characters with varying power levels.  Gandalf's player was a bit of a powergamer and drama queen.  You brought up him coming back from the dead in a later post.  That is hardly unheard of for a PC in D&D.</blockquote>

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