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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 4924061" data-attributes="member: 82504">For those inclined to render Gandalf  at lower levels one way of making seeming power houses at lower levels is to incorporate magic items in to the character... for instance Glamdring ... the glowing weapon could be gandalfs paladin strike (hybrid build of some sort probably). He had it for quite a long time... and even after dying and coming back.By the way.I use both/either Multiclassing and Hybriding trying to get the characters right. And I ignore expertise feats they really dont  for me contribute to the character flavor. I seem to always have better use for the feats.</blockquote>