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<blockquote data-quote="nameless" data-source="post: 1557149" data-attributes="member: 1543"><p>Sorry if I'm addressing the question in a way that isn't helpful... I don't like to think of single monsters but whole encounter scenarios.</p><p></p><p>I'm wondering if it HAS to be ALL undead. If a demon set up the trap, perhaps a few constructs (I'm thinking Retrievers) are viable. They have those eye rays as a free action each round, which will be at least a minor threat to high level PCs. When the artifact does its thing and takes out the undead, then there will still be an encounter to be had. It will be sort of a mop-up endeavor, but constructs aren't instakills because of their immunities. I know they're huge, but they are spiderlike and may not take up a lot of vertical space.</p><p></p><p>Dread Wraiths are CR 11 and are offense heavy. I could see that not working, though, since they are incorporeal (and might escape the confines). A horde of incorporeal undead might make an adequate challenge, though, because their weak touch attacks have a good chance of hitting anyways. The elite vampire listed is also CR 15, but likewise has shadow jump and could escape.</p><p></p><p>Another thought I had is to give situational disadvantages. Having an Unhallow effect with a Dimensional Anchor makes it tough to just teleport past the walls of force. It also boosts the undead. Likewise, a permanent Desecrate boosts undead a small amount. A persistent Cloudkill wouldn't bother undead at all, but it'll nip away at PCs.</p><p></p><p>4 Retrievers (CR 15), 8 Dread Wraiths (CR 17), an Elite Vampire (CR 15), and maybe 20 Regular Wraiths (CR 14) and 5 Vampire fighters (CR 11 and soak up the first turning) (from previously killed adventurers) in the enchanted room, with no automatic surprise, sounds like a CR 24 encounter to me, considering the likely ability damage/negative levels the party will suffer and not be able to fully heal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nameless, post: 1557149, member: 1543"] Sorry if I'm addressing the question in a way that isn't helpful... I don't like to think of single monsters but whole encounter scenarios. I'm wondering if it HAS to be ALL undead. If a demon set up the trap, perhaps a few constructs (I'm thinking Retrievers) are viable. They have those eye rays as a free action each round, which will be at least a minor threat to high level PCs. When the artifact does its thing and takes out the undead, then there will still be an encounter to be had. It will be sort of a mop-up endeavor, but constructs aren't instakills because of their immunities. I know they're huge, but they are spiderlike and may not take up a lot of vertical space. Dread Wraiths are CR 11 and are offense heavy. I could see that not working, though, since they are incorporeal (and might escape the confines). A horde of incorporeal undead might make an adequate challenge, though, because their weak touch attacks have a good chance of hitting anyways. The elite vampire listed is also CR 15, but likewise has shadow jump and could escape. Another thought I had is to give situational disadvantages. Having an Unhallow effect with a Dimensional Anchor makes it tough to just teleport past the walls of force. It also boosts the undead. Likewise, a permanent Desecrate boosts undead a small amount. A persistent Cloudkill wouldn't bother undead at all, but it'll nip away at PCs. 4 Retrievers (CR 15), 8 Dread Wraiths (CR 17), an Elite Vampire (CR 15), and maybe 20 Regular Wraiths (CR 14) and 5 Vampire fighters (CR 11 and soak up the first turning) (from previously killed adventurers) in the enchanted room, with no automatic surprise, sounds like a CR 24 encounter to me, considering the likely ability damage/negative levels the party will suffer and not be able to fully heal. [/QUOTE]
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