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<blockquote data-quote="EvanDynamic" data-source="post: 5383795" data-attributes="member: 99601">My apologies if this is a re-post as I do not have permission to use the search function. Could someone post a step-by-step, action-by-action example of how a character would go about a garrote attack as I think I am interpreting it wrong? Going off of the PHB grab rules and Dragon Magazine 373 garrote multiclass feats, I think it works like this.1st turn, Standard Action = Grab with garrote without using any powers or attacks, only the PHB combat section explanation of grab (with the -2 escape penalty of the garrote).&nbsp; No damage done.&nbsp; Of does a melee basic with a garrote start a grab if it hits?&nbsp; Minor action = Sustain GrabEnemy Turn: They try to escape at a -2 penalty, and they attack you without any penalty.&nbsp; You try to hold on.2nd turn, Standard action = You attack.&nbsp; Is this only a melee basic attack 1d4 with the garrote?&nbsp; Or, if you can take the feats, either one of the 3 garrote-specific attacks in Dragon Magazine 373 or the 1 upper-level rogue garrote grab in the PHB?&nbsp; Or is it any rogue light blade attack power and using the garrote as the weapon damage (see rule below)?&nbsp; Also would any attack would have 2d8 Sneak Attack die (d8 backstabber feat) due to garrote's combat advantage award(does this CA only come with the garrote multiclass feat or with untrained garrote attacks as well?).The last option is according to this line from Dragon 373:&nbsp; But this reading of any light blade power seems like it would lead to some unlikely and impractical couplings of rogue powers and garrotes (Handspring Assaults for example).On balance, it seems like a lot of opposed rolls over multiple turns for mediocre damage that an attack power with CA could match in the first turn with one attack roll.&nbsp; I love, love, love the idea of garrote attacks but find&nbsp; my interpretation that the rule's call for charismatic Sly Flourish garrotes a bit tough to swallow, so to speak.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EvanDynamic, post: 5383795, member: 99601"] My apologies if this is a re-post as I do not have permission to use the search function. Could someone post a step-by-step, action-by-action example of how a character would go about a garrote attack as I think I am interpreting it wrong? Going off of the PHB grab rules and Dragon Magazine 373 garrote multiclass feats, I think it works like this. 1st turn, Standard Action = Grab with garrote without using any powers or attacks, only the PHB combat section explanation of grab (with the -2 escape penalty of the garrote). No damage done. Of does a melee basic with a garrote start a grab if it hits? Minor action = Sustain Grab Enemy Turn: They try to escape at a -2 penalty, and they attack you without any penalty. You try to hold on. 2nd turn, Standard action = You attack. Is this only a melee basic attack 1d4 with the garrote? Or, if you can take the feats, either one of the 3 garrote-specific attacks in Dragon Magazine 373 or the 1 upper-level rogue garrote grab in the PHB? Or is it any rogue light blade attack power and using the garrote as the weapon damage (see rule below)? Also would any attack would have 2d8 Sneak Attack die (d8 backstabber feat) due to garrote's combat advantage award(does this CA only come with the garrote multiclass feat or with untrained garrote attacks as well?). The last option is according to this line from Dragon 373: But this reading of any light blade power seems like it would lead to some unlikely and impractical couplings of rogue powers and garrotes (Handspring Assaults for example). On balance, it seems like a lot of opposed rolls over multiple turns for mediocre damage that an attack power with CA could match in the first turn with one attack roll. I love, love, love the idea of garrote attacks but find my interpretation that the rule's call for charismatic Sly Flourish garrotes a bit tough to swallow, so to speak. [/QUOTE]

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