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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 1367305" data-attributes="member: 2167">Well in that case, its best to make a build using the advantages at your disposal. It sounds as if there is a specific point to this one-shot mission oriented game so I will assume there is a specified Foe which of course makes the choices all the more easy.My first suggestion would be a similar build to previous. Since she has already chosen Elf going Ranger2/Rogue4 Archer makes a great infiltrator that can "kill stuff" really well. The elf choice hurts a bit in feats but its other advantages could help. The only problem might be Mutliclass penalty since the Elf, even though by its racial abilities lend it to Ranger have "Wizard" as the Favored class. Something I personally hate.Elf:+2 Dex, -2 Con: The loss of CON is going to be a bit rough but as long as she remains 10+ it wont be a liability. The Possibility for a very high Dex (depending on how you are doing abilities) is worth the exchange.Immune to sleep: Worthless by this level as she is already immune based on HD+2 vs. Enchantment: Still very useful if a bit limitedLow-Light Vision: Not shabby but not exactly what the DM may be making it out to be. If this is going to be a monster oriented dungeon crawl or a darvision species foe, there may be no light available at all to use this with.  If this is the core concept advantage of the character make certain to be able to use it to your advantage. An elf's best friend in that situation is a Continual Flame or Permanent Light item.Weapon Feats: Useless unless of a lesser class. Will have helped get through the 1st level of Rogue.Skill Bonuses: The +2 racial bonus to Listen, Spot, and Search are perfect for an infiltrator/scout. This will allow you to exceed your normal level cap.  The ability to locate secret doors more easily cant hurt either (though on a personal note I never understood this ability from a Nature Oriented race...).Ranger2/Rogue4BAB: +5  (Dex will be the primary stat here so at least +8)Base Saves: F+4 / R+7 / W+1  (Reflex will be at least +10 if not higher)Skills: (Rogue First) Minimum Skill Points = 68 + (INTx9)Specialize in Bluff, Hide, Move, Listen, Spot, Search, Disable Device, Open Lock (then Survival if plan on tracking), spend the rest at will.Base Abilities: Sneak Attack +2d6, Trapfinding & Trap Sense +1, Evasion, Uncanny Dodge, Favored Enemy*, Track, Wild Empathy, Combat Style**Favored Enemy: Since this is likely a specified mission its going to be an actual boon to the Ranger to have a specifically chosen Foe. The +2 to Bluff (feint), Listen, Sense Motive, Spot and Survival will work great for the infiltrator/scout build as they Stack with the racial bonuses. The +2 Damage on all weapon damage rolls is nothing to sneeze at either.Combat Style - Archery!: This is key. Grants Rapid Shot = Two shots at a minumum of +6/+6, higher with a Dex higher than 16.  Thats 2 Shots that can do 1d8+2d6+2 (ave 12) per shot assuming a Foe and sneak, more if she uses Composite and has a Strength bonus (and Point Blank adds more).FeatsHere is where it gets tricky. You will only have 3 feats to work with so it makes it much harder, and limits us from choosing great feats with worthless Pre-Requisite feats.Some options to look at depending on what you are going for.PHBPoint Blank: +1 to Attack & Damage rolls within 30' (brining it up to +7/+7 min). Since its a Dungeon, and the character is a stealth machine - this shouldnt be too hard to manage and take full advantage of.Precise Shot: Ify. If she will be mostly fighting on her own as an advance lead - not necessary. However, if she plans to fight with the Bow "in general melee", it comes in useful to not suffer the -4 penalty.Stealthy: +2 Hide and Move - probably unnecessary with the number of Skill points to spend but would raise you 2 above the levels normal max bonus.Combat Expertise & Improved Feint: (Requires a 13 Intelligence which also guarentees more Skill points). Allows a Bluff check to be made as a Move Action.  This allows her to make a Bluff check to Feint in combat to remove their Dex Bonus and thus make them open to Sneak Attack. As a side effect you can use your Combat Expertise in melee situation to overcome the lack of armor and up your AC by 5 giving up 5 Attack bonus.Personally I would go with Point Blank, Combat Expertise and Improved Feint. This is if she plans on needing to bluff. If not, and a lot of group combat will be the order of the day, probably Improved Initiative and Precise Shot so that she can fire into melee at those who are flat-footed to her.If you use 3rd party sources there are a ton of other Archery and Sneak Attack feats to choose from.If she would prefer melee over range switch to Combat Style - Two Weapon, and focus on Dual Rapier or for a less cheesy style Rapier and Short Sword. Replace Point Blank with Weapon Finesse. This will give the same focus on Dexterity to attacks to absorbe the two weapon penalty. Overall attacks would be at a minimum +4/+4 (higher with a Dex higher than 16) and doing 1d6+2d6+STR+2 and 1d6+2d6+1/2STR+2 (assuming a foe and sneak).  This has a higher chance for Criticals - especially if you have access to Keen, but also a slightly higher agrogate damage Only if she has a high Strength too.Hope that helps.</blockquote>

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