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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 5336565" data-attributes="member: 59082">My guess is that some grognards would take issue with your definition, or at least the OSR grognards that feel D&amp;D changed for the worse with Dragonlance and was only revived with Labyrinth Lord et al.But what is a &quot;grognard,&quot; really? It is yet another term that is used differently, depending upon who is using it. The classic definition is much more narrow and refers to a wargamer who is probably old enough to remember life before D&amp;D and adopted it as a secondary pursuit to wargaming. So we're talking about folks born in the early 60s or earlier.A looser definition is someone who plays, or at least prefers, older versions of D&amp;D, even following a formula of &quot;the older the better.&quot; It seems that &quot;Old School&quot; and grognards have some overlap but don't mean the same thing. As I implied above, Old School seems to refer to D&amp;D pre-Dragonlance, or pre-metaplot (maybe pre-THAC0?), whereas grognard is specific to wargaming roots and/or preference for an older version of D&amp;D other than the present one. In other words, one could loosely use the term and say they are a &quot;3E grognard&quot; but they couldn't really say they are into &quot;Old School 3E.&quot;To put it another way, &quot;grognard&quot; is more of a relative term than Old School, which is more fixed and refers to a specific era of D&amp;D with a distinct beginning (1974) but a variable end-date (usually between 1977 and 1983, although some move it up to 1989, and then there are the OSR games that harken back to pre-83 gaming).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 5336565, member: 59082"] My guess is that some grognards would take issue with your definition, or at least the OSR grognards that feel D&D changed for the worse with Dragonlance and was only revived with Labyrinth Lord et al. But what is a "grognard," really? It is yet another term that is used differently, depending upon who is using it. The classic definition is much more narrow and refers to a wargamer who is probably old enough to remember life before D&D and adopted it as a secondary pursuit to wargaming. So we're talking about folks born in the early 60s or earlier. A looser definition is someone who plays, or at least [I]prefers,[/I] older versions of D&D, even following a formula of "the older the better." It seems that "Old School" and grognards have some overlap but don't mean the same thing. As I implied above, Old School seems to refer to D&D pre-Dragonlance, or pre-metaplot (maybe pre-THAC0?), whereas grognard is specific to wargaming roots [I]and/or [/I]preference for an older version of D&D other than the present one. In other words, one could loosely use the term and say they are a "3E grognard" but they couldn't really say they are into "Old School 3E." To put it another way, "grognard" is more of a relative term than Old School, which is more fixed and refers to a specific era of D&D with a distinct beginning (1974) but a variable end-date (usually between 1977 and 1983, although some move it up to 1989, and then there are the OSR games that harken back to pre-83 gaming). [/QUOTE]

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