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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 274629" data-attributes="member: 1134">I like my nerf so nyah. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Seriously I think while the planar calling spells are more potent they aren't better than MSX spells for one great reason casting time.  10 minute casting time remove the calling spells from the realm of combat, a big penalty IMO. MSX spells can be sued with diffuculty in combat, and yes I agree slightly weak, I've been thinking of upping duraiton to 1 min/level this round crap rmoves far too many of the out of combat uses for the spells.Gate is calling +spells one max HD is huge x2 your level, it also allows travel, and wierd off the cuff proteciton an asteroid is hitting us one feb 1st, 2019 I open my gate and banish it to heck, oh and standard action.  I'll bounce your nerf off my players and see if they prefer your over mine, I think yours looks good so I'm ok if they want to change to your method.</blockquote>