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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7896268" data-attributes="member: 4937">Oh that question we can already answer. Morris will. Quote:&quot;While this is far more rife on social media than here, I want to emphasize in advance that gatekeeping (on either side of the debate, though I'd rather there were no sides to it) is not tolerated here on EN World. Whether that's on the basis of editions, live-streaming, age, gender, or anything else, if somebody says they're a D&amp;D fan, then they're a D&amp;D fan; it's not your place to tell them they're having badwrongfun. If we find anybody gatekeeping others in the hobby here, the moderators will be having a word. And, to be clear, this goes both ways -- there are bad actors on both sides of the current topic. &quot; - MorrisNotice that. Morris threatens to literally gatekeep anyone who figuratively gatekeeps. Obviously no one but Morris can actually gatekeep here, because only he has real authority.&nbsp;&nbsp; He's the only one that can decide who is or isn't in the community.&nbsp; But he wants to squelch the figurative gatekeeping.I didn't participate in that thread because neither of the things that were being banned, while neither of them were actually gatekeeping, seemed to be the sort of things I'd imagine myself saying, so the thread didn't really apply to me.&nbsp; Likewise, I didn't feel a need to point out the irony of the topic, because someone else did, and Morris seemed to respond to that with jocular good humor.But then this thread opened with a definition of &quot;gatekeeping&quot; that I find insulting and ugly. I don't think it was intended as such, but it's based off some really ugly stereotyping and then ultimately concludes with an argument that is essentially guilt by association (conflating things that are different) - an association that only works because of the slippery nature of the definition once you start using it figuratively for a lot of different things.Anyway, Morris (among others) has made this really interesting because in the original post he wrote:&quot;On the one side there are people claiming that livestream viewers &quot;don't play D&amp;D&quot; or &quot;aren't real fans&quot; (an ugly practice known as 'gatekeeping');&quot;But then in this thread he wrote:&quot;It, in this context, relates to the (attempted) exclusion of a demographic as part of the group by virtue of its perceived 'expertise' or 'right to belong' - in this specific case, being &quot;you don't belong in this group because you watch D&amp;D and [I assume] don't play it&quot;. It's about deciding who has 'earned' the admission criteria.&quot;And not only aren't those two definitions describing the same behavior, neither describes what the dictionary describes as gatekeeping - which is actually what Morris does and threatens to do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7896268, member: 4937"] Oh that question we can already answer. Morris will. Quote: "While this is far more rife on social media than here, I want to emphasize in advance that gatekeeping (on either side of the debate, though I'd rather there were [I]no[/I] sides to it) is not tolerated here on EN World. Whether that's on the basis of editions, live-streaming, age, gender, or anything else, if somebody says they're a D&D fan, then they're a D&D fan; it's not your place to tell them they're having badwrongfun. If we find anybody gatekeeping others in the hobby here, the moderators will be having a word. And, to be clear, this goes both ways -- there are bad actors on both sides of the current topic. " - Morris Notice that. Morris threatens to literally gatekeep anyone who figuratively gatekeeps. Obviously no one but Morris can actually gatekeep here, because only he has real authority. He's the only one that can decide who is or isn't in the community. But he wants to squelch the figurative gatekeeping. I didn't participate in that thread because neither of the things that were being banned, while neither of them were actually gatekeeping, seemed to be the sort of things I'd imagine myself saying, so the thread didn't really apply to me. Likewise, I didn't feel a need to point out the irony of the topic, because someone else did, and Morris seemed to respond to that with jocular good humor. But then this thread opened with a definition of "gatekeeping" that I find insulting and ugly. I don't think it was intended as such, but it's based off some really ugly stereotyping and then ultimately concludes with an argument that is essentially guilt by association (conflating things that are different) - an association that only works because of the slippery nature of the definition once you start using it figuratively for a lot of different things. Anyway, Morris (among others) has made this really interesting because in the original post he wrote: "On the one side there are people claiming that livestream viewers "don't play D&D" or "aren't real fans" (an ugly practice known as 'gatekeeping');" But then in this thread he wrote: "It, in this context, relates to the (attempted) exclusion of a demographic as part of the group by virtue of its perceived 'expertise' or 'right to belong' - in this specific case, being "you don't belong in this group because you watch D&D and [I assume] don't play it". It's about deciding who has 'earned' the admission criteria." And not only aren't those two definitions describing the same behavior, neither describes what the dictionary describes as gatekeeping - which is actually what Morris does and threatens to do. [/QUOTE]

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