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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 7897777" data-attributes="member: 4348">I was one of those wargamers.  IN MY OPINION...part of what you say is inaccurate.  You didn't need miniatures or special dice to play a wargame, in fact, my contingent of wargamers didn't use miniatures at ALL most of the time.I played wargames via the chits and board.  This was something that became bigger with Gettysburg and other wargames that came with chits and hexes and other various ways and instruments.You are right, there was pushback, but I don't see it quite as you portray it.  It was more of a snobbish type of outlook to my mind, where the wargamer deals with REAL historical items vs. the fantasy imaginations of other things.  They are interested in the recreation of history, or the enactment of history requiring historical accuracy to see how things could turn out differently or why they turned out the way they did.  They play it to engulf themselves in the history itself and to be a part of it while playing the game.On the otherhand, fantasy was more the realm of those who didn't like or enjoy history as much and wanted to create stories.  One was for the historians and businessmen, the other for the English and literature majors.However, it was not so much gatekeeping in the way you portray it as seeing RPG gamers not in the same place as wargamers.  It was not saying that D&D players had to play wargames or could not play wargames so much as seeing those playing D&D as lesser than wargamers (at least in some ways).  A sort of disdain for the new type of "wargame" that was being published...that it had no place among "TRUE" wargames or wargamers.Of course, with the decrease (at least to my perception) and gradual decline of chit and board wargames over the past few decades (and I'd say, ever since RPGs took their steam, and the rest of the audience who did miniature wargaming overall were replaced with another type of wargaming such as that WITH FANTASY and SCI-FI such as warhammer) that sentiment has disappeared to be non-existent in rather short order (not really even being a factor as soon as a few months (if even years) after OD&D's release even).TLDR - IMO Not so much of the same type of gatekeeping as you are saying, as much as looking at RPGs as lesser things for the same audience than Wargames, and that RPGs were a different sort of beast.  Something comparatively short lived as RPGs and new Wargames of Fantasy and sci fi slew that beast rather quickly.</blockquote>

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