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Gating in a Balor and a Solar
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<blockquote data-quote="werk" data-source="post: 2177191" data-attributes="member: 29663"><p>As I recall, all outer planes are infinite. So it really doesn't matter if you have one infinite plane or an infinite number of infinite planes...can you square infinity?</p><p></p><p>I think good's best chance to survive is universal (multiversal?) balance. Like the Dungeon Master said in the old cartoon, in order for it to rain in one place, another must go dry (or something to that effect) yin/yang, blah blah. This would probably play itself out in-game as forces of evil becoming more powerful than good, but instead of destroying good once and for all, instead decides to attack itself to see who 'wins'. Basically, you are right, but I don't think it is because the reason that you think it is <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>ON TOPIC - Dieties or level-controlling creatures can prohibit this sort of summoning. You better bet that a LG diety that employs (so to speak) the Solar or celestial, are not going to allow the chaos of random, unpredictable summoning of his peons. Same for Demon Princes or Arch-Fiends. As the caster determines the plane that is on the other side of the gate, he would need to pick a pre-arranged 'friendly' location to pull from, or pull from an uncontrolled area. So while you might be able to pull in a rutterkin or guardinal, I doubt you'd find any unclaimed Balor or Solars. It all speaks to the value of pre-arranging someone who is willing to help the party.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And no one has mentioned yet that a gate is an open door.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If the caster opens a gate to 'the abyss' to summon 'a Balor' start pouring the demon horde through that gate. The caster may control (at least one) Balor, but the other 8,000/round demons might cause some problems for the party.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="werk, post: 2177191, member: 29663"] As I recall, all outer planes are infinite. So it really doesn't matter if you have one infinite plane or an infinite number of infinite planes...can you square infinity? I think good's best chance to survive is universal (multiversal?) balance. Like the Dungeon Master said in the old cartoon, in order for it to rain in one place, another must go dry (or something to that effect) yin/yang, blah blah. This would probably play itself out in-game as forces of evil becoming more powerful than good, but instead of destroying good once and for all, instead decides to attack itself to see who 'wins'. Basically, you are right, but I don't think it is because the reason that you think it is :) ON TOPIC - Dieties or level-controlling creatures can prohibit this sort of summoning. You better bet that a LG diety that employs (so to speak) the Solar or celestial, are not going to allow the chaos of random, unpredictable summoning of his peons. Same for Demon Princes or Arch-Fiends. As the caster determines the plane that is on the other side of the gate, he would need to pick a pre-arranged 'friendly' location to pull from, or pull from an uncontrolled area. So while you might be able to pull in a rutterkin or guardinal, I doubt you'd find any unclaimed Balor or Solars. It all speaks to the value of pre-arranging someone who is willing to help the party. And no one has mentioned yet that a gate is an open door. If the caster opens a gate to 'the abyss' to summon 'a Balor' start pouring the demon horde through that gate. The caster may control (at least one) Balor, but the other 8,000/round demons might cause some problems for the party. [/QUOTE]
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