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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 297347" data-attributes="member: 2525">I think you are wrong.  There are people who do things they consider evil, for the sake of the feeling the get in doing evil.  Drive-by shootings are often real acts of evil.  Sometimes they are done to get into a gang, which perhaps some gangbangers consider self-interest/self-protection only.  However, some do it after they get into the gang JUST for the thrill of killing a stranger.  When captured and asked, they often explain that they don't expect to live long anyway, and do it just because it's wrong to do, because they are doing something that everyone agrees is wrong, and trying to get away with it for the thrill they get from it.  They do not change their opinion once they are in a calm state of mind.  There are unfortunately several of these people on death row right now in California (unfortuante that there are so many, not that they are on death row).  I think some serial killers fit this description as well (though I don't know if Manson fits that description or not).Some people really are evil, in both mind and deed, rather than just deed.[Edit: I had a boss once who might fit this bill as well, though I admit I might be a bit biased on that subject].</blockquote>