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<blockquote data-quote="HighTemplar" data-source="post: 4497779" data-attributes="member: 77594"><p>Lol great thread and very well presented ! (unlike yousaid, I thought this was plenty)</p><p> </p><p>Even tho I always go RaI without a seconds notice, I think you did make most of the calls right.</p><p> </p><p>If the paladin is still actively fighting the cube from inside it, I don't see why it wouldn't keep the challenge(grabbed only prevents moving away). From a RaW PoV you would need to find the specific line in the PH that states "standing in the same square as you opponent counts as being adjacent to it for related powers" which i don't think you will find, since they trying every ridiculous way to make sure noone could share squares.</p><p> </p><p>Just to discuss the flanking issue, again if they would have been stunned or dazed inside the cube (not being so much a threath to the cube, they couldnt possibly flank) but lets assume someone removed his dazed condition with a specific power of magical object. Someone attacking you from your own square, if directly opposed by another foe on his team should be flanking you. Some monsters have 0 reach, I can't remember which but i'm pretty sure flies dont have reach, never read that they couldnt flank, after all is you had a fly that could nail you for 1d10 dmg per attack i'm pretty sure you would care about it even tho its in one of your squares (hence possible flanking). (just my opinion here)</p><p> </p><p>To add some more into it, in my previous 3-3.5e game, I had troubles with flanking and too much sneak attack so I ruled that someone can decide not to care about one of his flankers in order to defend fully against the other one. Of course turning your back on someone should come with a price and so the flankee lost his dex bonus and granted surprise advantadge to the one he turned his back on (which seems legitimate... who would you rather turn your back on, a rogue, a fighter or try to settle facing the 2 at once and be flanked ? face the rogue, hes now powerless, while the fighter hacks your back to pieces,finish the rogue then face the fighter alone) Anyways just pointing out that the gelatinous cube has 14 dex, which is certainly factored in his AC, and thus ruling that the cube does not give about the caracters inside it implies that he shouldnt get this bonus against them.</p><p> </p><p>As for cover does the book says that if the cube and zombies are allies they shouldn't give each other cover ? Thats ridiculous I mean it's a large CUBE I fail to see how someone could throw something thru him on the account of being friends "hey cube open a tiny hole just the time i throw something ok ...please... NOW!(in zombie speech)"</p><p> </p><p>Basically what ShinRyuuBR said.</p><p> </p><p>One last detail, it is nowhere stated that being engulfed in the cube means you are completely immersed inside it, nothing infirms part of your body could still be sticking out of it and the cube dosent have to be exactly 10ft by 10 by 10. it could be 8by8by12 and kind of adjust, retract or expans himself slightly(or w/e) what was my point again ? oh ya suffocation and saying that you cannot be attacked while engulfed so I think those are a false assumption.</p><p> </p><p>My first point even tho i've contradicted it, was that your decisions all seemed to be coherent, you look like a very competent DM and I don't think you need our advice, just some more confidence that you're as smart as the ones who invented all those rules, if not more so.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HighTemplar, post: 4497779, member: 77594"] Lol great thread and very well presented ! (unlike yousaid, I thought this was plenty) Even tho I always go RaI without a seconds notice, I think you did make most of the calls right. If the paladin is still actively fighting the cube from inside it, I don't see why it wouldn't keep the challenge(grabbed only prevents moving away). From a RaW PoV you would need to find the specific line in the PH that states "standing in the same square as you opponent counts as being adjacent to it for related powers" which i don't think you will find, since they trying every ridiculous way to make sure noone could share squares. Just to discuss the flanking issue, again if they would have been stunned or dazed inside the cube (not being so much a threath to the cube, they couldnt possibly flank) but lets assume someone removed his dazed condition with a specific power of magical object. Someone attacking you from your own square, if directly opposed by another foe on his team should be flanking you. Some monsters have 0 reach, I can't remember which but i'm pretty sure flies dont have reach, never read that they couldnt flank, after all is you had a fly that could nail you for 1d10 dmg per attack i'm pretty sure you would care about it even tho its in one of your squares (hence possible flanking). (just my opinion here) To add some more into it, in my previous 3-3.5e game, I had troubles with flanking and too much sneak attack so I ruled that someone can decide not to care about one of his flankers in order to defend fully against the other one. Of course turning your back on someone should come with a price and so the flankee lost his dex bonus and granted surprise advantadge to the one he turned his back on (which seems legitimate... who would you rather turn your back on, a rogue, a fighter or try to settle facing the 2 at once and be flanked ? face the rogue, hes now powerless, while the fighter hacks your back to pieces,finish the rogue then face the fighter alone) Anyways just pointing out that the gelatinous cube has 14 dex, which is certainly factored in his AC, and thus ruling that the cube does not give about the caracters inside it implies that he shouldnt get this bonus against them. As for cover does the book says that if the cube and zombies are allies they shouldn't give each other cover ? Thats ridiculous I mean it's a large CUBE I fail to see how someone could throw something thru him on the account of being friends "hey cube open a tiny hole just the time i throw something ok ...please... NOW!(in zombie speech)" Basically what ShinRyuuBR said. One last detail, it is nowhere stated that being engulfed in the cube means you are completely immersed inside it, nothing infirms part of your body could still be sticking out of it and the cube dosent have to be exactly 10ft by 10 by 10. it could be 8by8by12 and kind of adjust, retract or expans himself slightly(or w/e) what was my point again ? oh ya suffocation and saying that you cannot be attacked while engulfed so I think those are a false assumption. My first point even tho i've contradicted it, was that your decisions all seemed to be coherent, you look like a very competent DM and I don't think you need our advice, just some more confidence that you're as smart as the ones who invented all those rules, if not more so. [/QUOTE]
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