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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7722679" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>The city of Indianapolis, and the convention center, and GenCon, all admit hotel space is an issue. You're in denial if you think it's not. It's a major issue. They've been struggling with shuttles, which they had to cancel, which has been a controversy for years. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That has zero to do with what I am talking about. The Convention Center is only permitted, by law, a maximum 60K people. That's it. That's why they only sell that many tickets, and that's why they report every year now their unique visitor number is 60K. It's a ceiling number - beyond that, and they lose their license and the fire department shuts them down. No matter how much space they acquire, the regulations limit them to 60K visitors. Period.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then you are positive the convention is lying and breaking the law. </p><p></p><p>They're not though, because you're wrong. They reported the correct number like they always do - 60K. They sold out of tickets - it's not like they printed more tickets than their capacity allows. Are you claiming some mass forged tickets or something? That's the only way you get more than 60K unique visitors. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nobody mentioned convention space. I mentioned max visitors of 60K and hotel space. Their costs go up every year. For example, you mentioned they expanded to the stadium which costs them more - but they still only had 60K paying visitors because that's still the number they are allowed. Which means they made less money per visitor. Their costs go up, their revenue is flat, this is a losing proposition. They will either need to increase the ticket cost, or split the convention into two conventions, or move. There isn't really another option I can think of other than those three. You cannot grow a convention without raising prices and without growing visitor numbers. Something has to give in that scenario.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 7722679, member: 2525"] The city of Indianapolis, and the convention center, and GenCon, all admit hotel space is an issue. You're in denial if you think it's not. It's a major issue. They've been struggling with shuttles, which they had to cancel, which has been a controversy for years. That has zero to do with what I am talking about. The Convention Center is only permitted, by law, a maximum 60K people. That's it. That's why they only sell that many tickets, and that's why they report every year now their unique visitor number is 60K. It's a ceiling number - beyond that, and they lose their license and the fire department shuts them down. No matter how much space they acquire, the regulations limit them to 60K visitors. Period. Then you are positive the convention is lying and breaking the law. They're not though, because you're wrong. They reported the correct number like they always do - 60K. They sold out of tickets - it's not like they printed more tickets than their capacity allows. Are you claiming some mass forged tickets or something? That's the only way you get more than 60K unique visitors. Nobody mentioned convention space. I mentioned max visitors of 60K and hotel space. Their costs go up every year. For example, you mentioned they expanded to the stadium which costs them more - but they still only had 60K paying visitors because that's still the number they are allowed. Which means they made less money per visitor. Their costs go up, their revenue is flat, this is a losing proposition. They will either need to increase the ticket cost, or split the convention into two conventions, or move. There isn't really another option I can think of other than those three. You cannot grow a convention without raising prices and without growing visitor numbers. Something has to give in that scenario. [/QUOTE]
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