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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8733205" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>I think I agree with this, in that a big difference is coming from the fact that no one is attempting to defend her actions. And there could be a LOT of different factors at play here. From the progress of society to swiftly hold people accountable, to a sect of people who feel validated in their beliefs on this, to her not really challenging the story once it started coming out.</p><p></p><p>One I don't think we should dismiss either, and I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, is that most of the big stories like this in recent years involved older people. And this has two big effects. </p><p></p><p>1) When you've spent many many years idolizing someone, to throw a random name from a hat out there, like George Lucas it becomes more important to you to defend them. This is someone you've respected for decades, they couldn't possibly [insert thing here] so there must be some mistake. While Daisy was popular, she was relatively new as I understand it? Certainly she hadn't been a big name for more than 5 years. So there isn't that inertia that comes with "this person shaped my childhood" that many older creators have. </p><p></p><p>2) I don't know what it is, I don't know if it is a real thing even or just an excuse I've seen a million times, but there is a section of people who fall into the "times are changing, this used to be alright and I didn't know better" category. Maybe this comes from many of these sort of sexual assaults involving older men, but I've heard this excuse many many times. And, it has a grain of truth to it. Casual Sexual Harrasment was a thing for a few decades many years ago. And so there is a portion of that population who feel like the rug was pulled under them when we call them on it being unacceptable. Contrasting this though, the younger generation (40's and lower?) doesn't buy that. It has ALWAYS been expressed to be unacceptable my entire adult life, for example. And so with a fan base who tends younger, she won't find anyone to buy that excuse, and no one is going to try that excuse, because no one involved is old enough to try and make that claim. </p><p></p><p></p><p>And so, two of the most common factors, the "Nostalgia Forgiveness" and "Worst Excuse" can't come into play and drive the conversation. We all agree it happened, we all agree it was bad, and thus the conversation ends. </p><p></p><p>Depending on how cynical we want to be, this could be a sign of greased wheels for punishing minority populations, or we can take this as a sign that in the coming decades this will become the norm, because the middle-aged and young populations which are growing old and taking those positions of power are the ones who grew up with being confronted by their behavior and being told it was unacceptable. </p><p></p><p>I've got a rough week ahead, so I'm gonna go with the hope for the future model <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8733205, member: 6801228"] I think I agree with this, in that a big difference is coming from the fact that no one is attempting to defend her actions. And there could be a LOT of different factors at play here. From the progress of society to swiftly hold people accountable, to a sect of people who feel validated in their beliefs on this, to her not really challenging the story once it started coming out. One I don't think we should dismiss either, and I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, is that most of the big stories like this in recent years involved older people. And this has two big effects. 1) When you've spent many many years idolizing someone, to throw a random name from a hat out there, like George Lucas it becomes more important to you to defend them. This is someone you've respected for decades, they couldn't possibly [insert thing here] so there must be some mistake. While Daisy was popular, she was relatively new as I understand it? Certainly she hadn't been a big name for more than 5 years. So there isn't that inertia that comes with "this person shaped my childhood" that many older creators have. 2) I don't know what it is, I don't know if it is a real thing even or just an excuse I've seen a million times, but there is a section of people who fall into the "times are changing, this used to be alright and I didn't know better" category. Maybe this comes from many of these sort of sexual assaults involving older men, but I've heard this excuse many many times. And, it has a grain of truth to it. Casual Sexual Harrasment was a thing for a few decades many years ago. And so there is a portion of that population who feel like the rug was pulled under them when we call them on it being unacceptable. Contrasting this though, the younger generation (40's and lower?) doesn't buy that. It has ALWAYS been expressed to be unacceptable my entire adult life, for example. And so with a fan base who tends younger, she won't find anyone to buy that excuse, and no one is going to try that excuse, because no one involved is old enough to try and make that claim. And so, two of the most common factors, the "Nostalgia Forgiveness" and "Worst Excuse" can't come into play and drive the conversation. We all agree it happened, we all agree it was bad, and thus the conversation ends. Depending on how cynical we want to be, this could be a sign of greased wheels for punishing minority populations, or we can take this as a sign that in the coming decades this will become the norm, because the middle-aged and young populations which are growing old and taking those positions of power are the ones who grew up with being confronted by their behavior and being told it was unacceptable. I've got a rough week ahead, so I'm gonna go with the hope for the future model :) [/QUOTE]
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